Replacing damaged cooker control unit

[IQ Electrical]

Ok so you're going for the 'how many threads can I have removed in 1 day' record.

I don't think I have a reputation here for handing out dangerous advice and I'm very familiar with BS7671:2008 and Document P so I'll just struggle on if that's ok with you?

 

[jazzygazza]

well i wouldnt worry about that as youll be catching up when your account is closed down for bullying of new members and now your implying i was handing out dangerous advice, what dangerous advice was that, so are you telling me that not removing something from the area around cooker and that its safe to leave in the same place just so it doesnt need a building warrant as you have put it

 

[IQ Electrical]

well i wouldnt worry about that as youll be catching up when your account is closed down for bullying of new members and now your implying i was handing out dangerous advice, what dangerous advice was that, so are you telling me that not removing something from the area around cooker and that its safe to leave in the same place just so it doesnt need a building warrant as you have put it

Read the posts again, YOU said I was handing out dangerous advice, I don't recall making any such accusation?

I just asked you to read the document that covers the original question, I find that helps when you do advise someone on a forum.

Again, I don't think I have a reputation here for handing out dangerous advice and as for bullying, please take a look at some of the 2391 threads where I've spent many hours answering examination questions to help new members.

As always though, I'm in debt to your priceless advice...

 

[PC Electrics]

first of all kitchen is not a special location correct, but no-one said it was so your fine there,but unfortunately cannot be left in current location why not? lets have a regulation number please. Most cost effective way would be to reposition new cooker switch in cupboard as although less than 2m will have suitable barrier, minor works certificate will be sufficient not correct, see below and no need toget building warrant the OP is in England, where Part P is in force. We do not have building warrants here like you do in Scotland as just an alteration to the circuit

I work to the building regulations in scotland but you dont need a building warrant for addition to a circuit is my understanding of it in England or Wales factually this is correct, but only because we do not have building warrants here,double checked online and this was confirmed by shropshire building control department too yes, it would be, see above but at least 1 thing IQ least my advice was safe it was as you were really going to advise someone to change it like for like knowing it was unsafe again, why? and minor works certificate would be sufficient not so, I refer you to Approved Document P

but how can you change it like for like knowing its unsafe, if your putting new circuit in then building control has to be alerted but your modifying circuit or putting an addition in then you dont have to not so, again I refer you to AD-P, you just need to complete minor works cert not so, again I refer you to AD-P, I wasnt sure if I was right or not so i asked the council nvolved and thats what i was told by them depends on the question asked!! If you asked whether a building warrant was required, then they would answer "no" for reasons already given

Im always happy to learn that's why we're all here but I suppose the planning department at the relevant council got it wrong maybe, maybe not - we don't know what was asked of them, well if guys cooker switch catches fire because not relevant distance away, your words will change from i only advised him that as his cost to fix it was too great, as I said earlier do not post any comments on my threads again. If i dont know the answer to something I will check it out, I dont know who you think you are but already today you have accused me of breaking copyright laws and now after advice from respective council that building warrant is not needed factually correct, for reasons given for addition that its a silly remark get off your high horse too

well i wouldnt worry about that as youll be catching up when your account is closed down for bullying of new members err? how so? seems to me it's you doing the big "I am" and now your implying i was handing out dangerous advice, what dangerous advice was that no one has accused you of handing out dangerous advice, simply incorrect advice, so are you telling me that not removing something from the area around cooker and that its safe to leave in the same place just so it doesnt need a building warrant as you have put it

There is no regulatory requirement for any installation to be brought up to current regulations simply because it was installed to a previous version. All new work, however, must comply with latest regs. However, simply replacing an accessory because it is worn or broke does not count as new work under either BS7671:2008 nor AD-P. It is classed as maintenence. You are free to replace the accessory on a like for like basis. For your own professionalism, you should advise the client that the location is considered unsafe now and that the control should be moved when there is suitable oportunity to do so (new kitchen for example).

For the record: there is no regulation in BS7671:2008 which has anything to say about not locating accessories above an electric hob. It is, however, a gas regulation that there must be no such accessories above a gas hob for a height of 760mm.

 

[Elidor]

The 'Electricians Guide To The Building Regulations' also makes reference to the positioning of the cooker control switch in section 4.4 (Page 55) but only appears to imply it should not be positioned above the hob. Figure 5.2 (page 61) shows a 300mm separation from the hob in the drawing.

Thanks again for all for your comments.

 

[SW1970]

Can the wiser amongst us guide me on this one then. Done a PIR - electric hob isolator is 150mm from edge of hob. If it's a code 4, which regulation is not being complied with? Many thanks.

 

[acvc]

As PC says, there's no Wiring Reg referring to this.

If it is also a Code 4 ...... then surely this highlights a weakness/inconsistency in the PIR/EICR approach. This needs sorting out.

Or is this precisely what you're saying SW1970?

 

[SW1970]

Yep, so how is this recorded? Comments on rest of installation?

 

[PC Electrics]

No code is required for a control 150mm to one side of a hob. No regulation is being broken, as there is no regulation (in BS7671). The 300mm recommendation is just that, a recommendation (originating from the NIC I believe).

Gas regs require that no combustible material may be placed in the surface for 760mm above and 50mm each side of a gas hob. One could regard this as "best practice" and adhere to this for electric hobs, but there is no compulsion to do so.