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Yep it's a mans game, but that was uncalled for :furious3::ban: Him
 
I felt the first punch was a yellow card, the second a criminal offence as he was knocked out, great game as well, Wigan were brilliant for the first 45 minutes even with 12 men, makes footballers look like right ---- doesn't it lol
 
I agree but he was on the floor helpless, needs stamping out,
 
Punch ups happen in rugby, both religions. But that was over the top and should not happen in a grand final.

Whatever Ben Flower got paid for playing in that match he should be donated to charity. I bet the RFL give him at least a 4 match ban, maybe 6?
 
Yeah I think he will get 4-6 games, he deserves it as well, the first punch was normal but a definate yellow card wasn't it? some refs would have given a red for it but most a yellow, the second punch was actually an arrestable offence and he may still be interviewed by the police yet, a tough game but there has to be a line, he crossed it lol.
 
Pete999 said:
league = non contested scrums
Union =contested scrums
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I couldn't see his question pete, now you have highlighted what he said the answer is slightly more than what you said mate, basically a lot of differences,

Union= try=5 points conversion= 2 points
League= try 4 points conversion 2 points (I think, it used to be 1 point)
Union= 15 men
League= 13 men
Union= constant play unless a penalty is given or a score or ball into touch
League= 5 tackles and the ball must be kicked away which stops a team progressing up the field
Union= scrums ( there is a lot regarding this in Union, it can dominate a game)
League= a scrum as you mentioned just a novelty and hardly seen
Union= all players different sizes and weights due to positions
League= vast majority of men are the same ish weight
Union= stricter rules, refs will not tolorate most situations which slow the game down
League= hard as fluck, punch ups and whole team brawls, great entertainment and red cards not so often seen
Union=universal throughout the country
League=mainly northern game with the odd southern team, not so widespread

Union= a faster flowing game in general but League is harder and the guys need more stamina, I will see if I can find a proper breakdown of the differences and post back later fella
 
MDJ said:
I couldn't see his question pete, now you have highlighted what he said the answer is slightly more than what you said mate, basically a lot of differences,

Union= try=5 points conversion= 2 points
League= try 4 points conversion 2 points (I think, it used to be 1 point)
Union= 15 men
League= 13 men
Union= constant play unless a penalty is given or a score or ball into touch
League= 5 tackles and the ball must be kicked away which stops a team progressing up the field
Union= scrums ( there is a lot regarding this in Union, it can dominate a game)
League= a scrum as you mentioned just a novelty and hardly seen
Union= all players different sizes and weights due to positions
League= vast majority of men are the same ish weight
Union= stricter rules, refs will not tolorate most situations which slow the game down
League= hard as fluck, punch ups and whole team brawls, great entertainment and red cards not so often seen
Union=universal throughout the country
League=mainly northern game with the odd southern team, not so widespread

Union= a faster flowing game in general but League is harder and the guys need more stamina, I will see if I can find a proper breakdown of the differences and post back later fella
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I know that but got called for me lunch, and I had forgotten all the scores etc
 
Just had a nose around and it is basically what has been said, except the fact the ball is in play much longer in League, also one guy on the WWW posted this which is highlighted below

The main difference between Rugby League and Rugby Union lies in what happens in the tackle situation. In Union when a player is tackled (Their progress is physically halted by the opposition) the ball is recycled by a ruck (if the ball is on the ground) or by a maul (if the ball is held up off the ground). One recycling of the ball is called a phase and there is no limit to the number of phases as long as a team keeps possesssion of the ball. In League when a player with the ball is tackled the referee will halt play and it is restarted when the tackled player stands, places the ball on the ground and rakes it back with his foot to the player (dummy-half) behind them. The opposition must retreat 10 metres from the play-of the-ball except for two markers who line up in front of the player of the ball. The team in possession can recycle the ball 5 times in this manner but if they are tackled with the ball a 6th time then the ball is handed over to the opposition.
In rugby union the shoulder charge is illegal, players must use their arms in a tackle, whereas in rugby league a shoulder charge is a legitmate form of tackle. In rugby league a tackle stops play but in rugby union play continues with a ruck or maul where players from either side lock together and push against those of the other side for territorial advantage or for better position over the ball. This requires players to be bound together (holding on to each other), this is why they must use their arms in the tackle.
Another significant difference is what happens when the ball goes into touch (the ball crosses the sideline, leaving the field of play). In Union play is restarted with a lineout whereas in League play is restarted with a scrum. A lineout means players of each side stand in line perpendicular to the sideline and next to one another and the ball is pitched from the sideline up between the 2 lines. Players jump up for possession of the ball. There can be up to eight players per team involved in the lineout, the number is determined by the team throwing in. A scrum is the locking of a group of players from each side and their pushing as a team against the group from the other team. As the ball is dropped down between the 2 teams on the ground, each side pushes against the other in order that the ball passes under their feet to their half-back/scrum half.
If the ball is forced in goal by the defending team then a drop-kick is taken to restart play in both codes, however in rugby league the drop-kick is taken from the goal line but in rugby it is taken from the 22 metre line. In rugby union, if the ball is carried into the in-goal area by the defending team and then forced or put dead (over the dead ball line or into touch in the in-goal area) then a scrum is awarded to the attacking team 5 metres from the goal line.
Number-wise: a Rugby Union team consists of 15 players and a Rugby League team has 13 players (eliminating the two flankers from the side of the scrum).
Rugby Union points: a try is worth 5 points, a conversion is 2 points, a penalty goal is 3 points and a drop-goal is 3 points.
Rugby League points: a try is worth 4 points, a conversion is 2 points, a penalty goal is 2 points and a drop-goal is 1 point.
rugby union differences from league (rules)
Union: unlimited tackles, League: 6 before turn over
Union: pass the ball along the ground to dummy half, League: get up and roll under foot.
Union: when ball is kicked out there is throw ins. League: either team can receive another set of 6 depending on what's happened.
Union: 5 point try, 7 if converted, 2 point field goal, 3 point penalty goal. (Field goal is 3 points)
League: 4 point try, 6 if converted, 1 point field goal, 2 point penalty goal.
Roughly 2 more people on field at once in union than league. Numbers for positions are different.
Rugby Union is more tactical than Rugby League and there is more room for error.
there are many more differences than people think and to many to list.

Rugby Union restarts with a scrum or a lineout. Rugby League restart normally with a dummy scrum or a tap and play.
Rugby union has rucks and mauls. Rugby League restart after a tackle with a dummy scrum
Rugby Union has 15 players. Rugby League has 13. Rugby League has 2 forwards less than union. The flank or loose forwards numbers 6 &7.

League and union forwards use their physicality in different ways; league forwards act more as individuals while union forwards combine to work as a unit. Union forwards expend more energy at the tackle-ball situation and at set piece (scrum and lineout) and league forwards take more hit-ups and make more tackles.
 
that's really changed my life. going to watch the grass grow now. :hammer:
 
Oh one last thing, my apologies, which ever game is being played the Scottish are the worse team playing it lol
 
Having played union for many years before injury, I've seen many fights which are part and parcel of the game, but to put a second punch on someone who has already been knocked out is not something iv ever seen before, and don't want to see again. He should be ashamed of himself and sure he probably is. Unfortunately that will tarnish his name for the rest of his career.
 
It's got to be union, although not getting the chance to watch as much since BT Sport got most of the premiership. But even if your not really into rugby go and watch an England or Premiership game at Twickenham, it's one of the best days out you can have watching sport.
 
MDJ said:
Just had a nose around and it is basically what has been said, except the fact the ball is in play much longer in League, also one guy on the WWW posted this which is highlighted below

Union is better than League
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Put all that nonsense right for you Mike.
 
Pete999 said:
They are both good to watch, but being raised on Union, well no contest realy
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T'other way for me... having played both, union at grammar school, junior and open age league for 20 years or so..and being brought up on the game. In fact, at 16, I was playing union for school on sat morning and for a semi pro football team the same afternoon, where I didn't half get kicked about by some thugs. So, I am not anti the round ball game, either, though it is full of diving girls, IMO.

As regards the incident...an absolute disgrace which had a profound affect on the final and tarnished our game greatly.

Mike, just on one point, the size of players in different positions doesn't vary that much. Look at Jason Robinson and Jonah Lomu. As you well know, it's all about speed, agility and skill...not just size and brute force. The league you watch is probably Super League, where the players are trained, full time, to an incredible level of fitness, size and strength. At top class, Union is catching up, to a degree, learning a great deal in these spheres, from League. Coaches such as Shaun Edwards and Mike Ford, ex League halfbacks who add that touch of class and different ideas in both attack and defence.
By the way, wiganer Shaun was captain of England Schoolboys in both Union and League...no mean feat, eh? ..and he played his full career weighing in at not much more than 12 stones.

Oh, and by the way, the shoulder charge is a penalized offence in League.
 
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Can't wait for tonight, I am going to Kingsholm to watch Gloucester play Brive (ex heineken cup champions) in the new european super league, Just bought a new fleece for the occassion, come on glos, for you rugger fans who cannot get to the home of rugby it is live on sky 1 tonight, kick off at 7-45, I will be in the JS stand waving at the camera :santa1:
 
MDJ said:
Can't wait for tonight, I am going to Kingsholm to watch Gloucester play Brive (ex heineken cup champions) in the new european super league, Just bought a new fleece for the occassion, come on glos, for you rugger fans who cannot get to the home of rugby it is live on sky 1 tonight, kick off at 7-45, I will be in the JS stand waving at the camera :santa1:
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Lucky git
 
Yeah I am Pete, getting excited now mate, the buzz is getting about here, I went to the stadium shop earlier to get a fleece and saw the grounds men preparing the pitch, it is a great feeling the last few hours before a big game, especially one we are underdogs in, I would love it if we won, it will be a tough game, no nancy boy footballers allowed on the Kingsholm pitch lol.
 
MDJ said:
Yeah I am Pete, getting excited now mate, the buzz is getting about here, I went to the stadium earlier to get a fleece and saw the grounds men preparing the pitch, it is a great feeling the last few hours before a big game, especially one we are underdogs in, I would love it if we won, it will be a tough game, no nancy boy footballers allowed on the Kingsholm pitch lol.
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No nancy boy soccer player any way near a rugby club especially the Rec lol
 
Yeah thats true, the biggest game of our season is against Bath, always is, the Bath players will ****e themselves when they come here to play us, I expect they will win but they always go away knowing they have experienced a game and an incredible crowd, we respect Bath and they respect us.
 
MDJ said:
Yeah thats true, the biggest game of our season is against Bath, always is, the Bath players will ****e themselves when they come here to play us, I expect they will win but they always go away knowing they have experienced a game and an incredible crowd, we respect Bath and they respect us.
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Always a good crowd at Kingsholm loyal to Glos but friendly all the same
 
MDJ said:
Can't wait for tonight, I am going to Kingsholm to watch Gloucester play Brive (ex heineken cup champions) in the new european super league, Just bought a new fleece for the occassion, come on glos, for you rugger fans who cannot get to the home of rugby it is live on sky 1 tonight, kick off at 7-45, I will be in the JS stand waving at the camera :santa1:
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But your in the Challenge Cup which is not the top tier competion:smilielol5:
 
you armchair fans need to stfu , i've played both league & union at local club level.

unions better , more dynamic. ;-)
 
Yes we have World cup 2015 flags all over Glos already promoting it, we have got Argentina and Scotland coming here for their matches, should be an exciting tournament, I bet 50 quid Scotland don't get passed the second round lol
 

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