school caretaker worries

[westward10]

I suggest you wait until the meeting on Monday to see what is going to happen as it is no good assuming peoples intentions until you know for sure.

 

[DPG]

Bogger's muddle Mate

Auto blooming correct.

 

[Pete999]

Bogger's muddle Mate

You have to ask yourself Mate is, H&S taken seriously in the OPs' School ? sounds like NO IT ISN'T more an A--- covering exercise.

 

[westward10]

You have to ask yourself Mate is, H&S taken seriously in the OPs' School ? sounds like NO IT ISN'T more an A--- covering exercise.

Easy to jump to conclusions things happen no matter how much H&S policy you have in place. We are human not programmed robots.

 

[jannadog]

I will tell you what's what after the meeting . I'm asking for his 18th edition certificate and and completed work certificate... I can't tell you everything because I have an email ready to send to HSE.... I gave spoken to a HSE officer outside of Sussex and I do not want to say anything that might jeopardize anything ..... I'm asking to see the report I will make notes on who and when and if like to ask a few more questions here after ... I will post up my pictures also of why I have had to whistle blow ...
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[Pete999]

I will tell you what's what after the meeting . I'm asking for his 18th edition certificate and and completed work certificate... I can't tell you everything because I have an email ready to send to HSE.... I gave spoken to a HSE officer outside 9f Sussex and I do not want to say anything that might jeopardize anything ..... I'm asking to see the report I will make notes on who and when and if like to ask a few more questions here after ... I will post up my pictures also of why I have had to whistle blow ...
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I wouldn't dwell to much on the 18th cert Mate, if I were you, the Regulations change every 5 mins so not having an up to date book reading qualification does not make you a bad Electrician, asking for proof of the 18th could embarrass you.

 

[jannadog]

I wouldn't dwell to much on the 18th cert Mate, if I were you, the Regulations change every 5 mins so not having an up to date book reading qualification does not make you a bad Electrician, asking for proof of the 18th could embarrass you.

so what should I ask for . I'm right in saying if you gutted a room and completely re wire it and connect it to the consumer panel it should be to regulations 18th edition and what qualifications do you need for giving certificates...

 

[westward10]

What you need to be is competent this does not necessarily mean a list of recognised qualifications although it would be difficult to prove otherwise, that said qualifications aren't necessarily proof of competence.

 

[Pete999]

so what should I ask for . I'm right in saying if you gutted a room and completely re wire it and connect it to the consumer panel it should be to regulations 18th edition and what qualifications do you need for giving certificates...

An EIC Mate Electrical Installation Certificate, completed with Test results, Like Westward Has said Competency is the criteria, if the Electrician has dome installation work it will need to be tested, proved to be safe to connect to a LV supply. If on the other hand the Sparky has just altered an existing Circuit with no new circuits, The certification required would be a MNEWC Minor New Electrical Works Certificate. whatever will/should prove that the work done is to the correct standard and has bee tested to the correct standard. like I said earlier the BS update 18 th Edition is not proof of competency, it only shows you can read and navigate, what is a large British Standard, there are those that say it is pointless but sadly necessary in todays world of Electrics, don't well on it, it won't prove anything, other that he can read.

 

[Lister1987]

If you haven't already I would get joined to a union, Unite or similar would be your best bet, for the few quid membership would cost you'll get legal advice and be in a better position to fight back and defend yourself - If they fire you for whistleblowing then that's unfair dismissal right there, just don't give them any other reasons they might try and use (timekeeping etc)

 

[littlespark]

Is there any chance of a photograph of this electricians work? We like a good laugh

 

[Pete999]

If you haven't already I would get joined to a union, Unite or similar would be your best bet, for the few quid membership would cost you'll get legal advice and be in a better position to fight back and defend yourself - If they fire you for whistleblowing then that's unfair dismissal right there, just don't give them any other reasons they might try and use (timekeeping etc)

Good advice with a caveat, most Trade Unions will not act retrospectively, or they wouldn't when I was Trade Union Representative, so be aware of that fact before you act.

 

[Lister1987]

Good advice with a caveat, most Trade Unions will not act retrospectively, or they wouldn't when I was Trade Union Representative, so be aware of that fact before you act.

It's worth a try, I'd argue it's not retrospective, it's currently ongoing, hence joining the union to get advice; no different than being nicked and then getting a solicitor, rather than having one on retainer.

 

[Midwest]

You guys are seeming to ignore the fact that things like this cost money to repair. Forget H&S, as Grenfell has proved. They won't do anything, until it ends up on their desk, and then they will try and blame someone else.

Whistleblow @jannadog and or keep your diary safe.

 

[jannadog]

ok I'll show Monday after meeting. a a reall big thank you. it's good advice you have given me