Shopkeeper killed for wishing his friends a happy easter

[Midwest]

I think people forget that the muslim faith has many different varieties of as with the Christian faith, some are extremist some are pacifists some will hate other religions some we'll live with other religion some will embrace other religions. All will have different interpretations of their own big book because at the end of the day it is how do you read it and what some man wearing a robe teaches you, as for the newsagent that was heartlessly killed his belief and following in braces other religions to the point that other Muslim sects do not like them, this has also happened within the Christian community where catholics has waged war against Other Christians who pray a different way and other christians waged war on catholics, we have just celebrated Easter but orthodox Christians do not celebrate Easter at the same time as us they have a pacific date where they celebrate it not a government defined weekend.
Once upon a time there was UK law then devolution started to happen and the Scots got their own Parliament but now makes their own rules the Welsh got given The power to make their own rules as long as Westminster liked them , Northern Ireland were given the power to elect IRA killers and silly people.
Let's not Forget that the catholic church puts hundreds thousands of people to death every year by not allowing someone to put a condom on their thing

I do not disagree with you, that all Muslim sects believe or would act in such a way. But as I said in an earlier post, the Koran are the words of God dictated to The Prophet by Arch Angel Gabriel. They are the words of God, not the words of man inspired by God, as in the Bible. Islam believe that Christians got it wrong & Jesus was just another Prophet. If you read some of the passages in the Koran, you'll see that God tells Muslims to carry out certain acts against the infidels, or gives them dispensation for such acts. Hence some sects the Islamic faith see nothing wrong, in killing infidels for example.

Luckily, we have laws against such acts, but sections of society believe they are only following Gods words. I firmly believe the expression 'when in Rome, do as the Romans do'. Therefore I have no sympathy for Brits who consume alcohol, kiss in public etc etc, in Arab states and fall foul of their laws. Saudi Arabia dos not allow Christians to worship openly.

In this country we are more liberal with our views, and allow other religions to build places of worship. Perhaps this liberalism get us into trouble and we should be more like the Romans. We were guilty of acts of barbarism and disingenuous to others, as late as Edwardian times. But I think we've moved on since then. Time for others to move on. If the Islamic faith wants to be seen as moderate peace loving, it has to do more than its doing now.

There has never been laws that were the same across the countries (that now make up the UK) , as they had their own laws, prior to the political Treaty of Union in 1706.

 

[Barry White]

I do not disagree with you, that all Muslim sects believe or would act in such a way. But as I said in an earlier post, the Koran are the words of God dictated to The Prophet by Arch Angel Gabriel. They are the words of God, not the words of man inspired by God, as in the Bible. Islam believe that Christians got it wrong & Jesus was just another Prophet. If you read some of the passages in the Koran, you'll see that God tells Muslims to carry out certain acts against the infidels, or gives them dispensation for such acts. Hence some sects the Islamic faith see nothing wrong, in killing infidels for example.

Luckily, we have laws against such acts, but sections of society believe they are only following Gods words. I firmly believe the expression 'when in Rome, do as the Romans do'. Therefore I have no sympathy for Brits who consume alcohol, kiss in public etc etc, in Arab states and fall foul of their laws. Saudi Arabia dos not allow Christians to worship openly.

In this country we are more liberal with our views, and allow other religions to build places of worship. Perhaps this liberalism get us into trouble and we should be more like the Romans. We were guilty of acts of barbarism and disingenuous to others, as late as Edwardian times. But I think we've moved on since then. Time for others to move on. If the Islamic faith wants to be seen as moderate peace loving, it has to do more than its doing now.

There has never been laws that were the same across the countries (that now make up the UK) , as they had their own laws, prior to the political Treaty of Union in 1706.

Excelent take on this and so true.

 

[egg67]

I do not disagree with you, that all Muslim sects believe or would act in such a way. But as I said in an earlier post, the Koran are the words of God dictated to The Prophet by Arch Angel Gabriel. They are the words of God, not the words of man inspired by God, as in the Bible. Islam believe that Christians got it wrong & Jesus was just another Prophet. If you read some of the passages in the Koran, you'll see that God tells Muslims to carry out certain acts against the infidels, or gives them dispensation for such acts. Hence some sects the Islamic faith see nothing wrong, in killing infidels for example.

Luckily, we have laws against such acts, but sections of society believe they are only following Gods words. I firmly believe the expression 'when in Rome, do as the Romans do'. Therefore I have no sympathy for Brits who consume alcohol, kiss in public etc etc, in Arab states and fall foul of their laws. Saudi Arabia dos not allow Christians to worship openly.

In this country we are more liberal with our views, and allow other religions to build places of worship. Perhaps this liberalism get us into trouble and we should be more like the Romans. We were guilty of acts of barbarism and disingenuous to others, as late as Edwardian times. But I think we've moved on since then. Time for others to move on. If the Islamic faith wants to be seen as moderate peace loving, it has to do more than its doing now.

There has never been laws that were the same across the countries (that now make up the UK) , as they had their own laws, prior to the political Treaty of Union in 1706.

The bit about the laws of the U.K. was just a joke should of put a Face but forgot as when Typing out comment was also getting food for my six-year-old so l apologise will try harder next time

 

[egg67]

What I'm trying to say is that there is various levels of religion it all depends on how you read the books and on your interpretation of them, so one person can interpret it one way and another person can interpret it another way, it's all about how you read it just like reading any book. The thing with the bible is it has been translated from one language to another it loses words in translation and people interpreted differently it's the same with all religious books they can be manipulated by the person reading it hence there is so many different types of the same religion when you think about they all pray to the same God through different profits, it's almost like the scams that we have to join just to do and register it why not tell the big man in person why do you have to go through the third-party why not just talk to the main man and Forget about the people that just want to make money out of The little man trying to earn a crust but as with all things they need to survive and they do it with Our money whether it be in religion Government or the scams it's all the same people making up what they want and thinking that we will follow them if they Think it doesn't matter if we die either with suicide jacket or are killed by someone with a suicide jacket the men at the top will be ok as and has always given the order from a nice comfortable chair not thinking about the person who is going to do the job
Have had drink.

 

[telectrix]

can tell you had a drink or 2. you don't usually babble on like that. :rolleyes4:

 

[egg67]

can tell you had a drink or 2. you don't usually babble on like that. :rolleyes4:

Only 2 seen my shrink today so in a good mood as I babbled on to her so having a good time

 

[ackbarthestar]

What I'm trying to say is that there is various levels of religion it all depends on how you read the books and on your interpretation of them, so one person can interpret it one way and another person can interpret it another way, it's all about how you read it just like reading any book. The thing with the bible is it has been translated from one language to another it loses words in translation and people interpreted differently it's the same with all religious books they can be manipulated by the person reading it hence there is so many different types of the same religion when you think about they all pray to the same God through different profits, it's almost like the scams that we have to join just to do and register it why not tell the big man in person why do you have to go through the third-party why not just talk to the main man and Forget about the people that just want to make money out of The little man trying to earn a crust but as with all things they need to survive and they do it with Our money whether it be in religion Government or the scams it's all the same people making up what they want and thinking that we will follow them if they Think it doesn't matter if we die either with suicide jacket or are killed by someone with a suicide jacket the men at the top will be ok as and has always given the order from a nice comfortable chair not thinking about the person who is going to do the job
Have had drink.

I'm not sure I would totally agree with all this although very entertaining

My understanding of religion is that its based on some form of authoritarian structure where somebody leads (and carries the can if he/she gets what others consider to be dodgy teachings) and the rest follow (like sheep). Although, from history we can see that most reformations and counter reformations seem to happen because somebody got it wrong and others rebelled, an opposition or sect (Catholic verses protestant Shi'ite verses Sunnis) were formed and off we went again. My favourite was what I believe kicked off the reformation The catholic faith offering indulgences (ie buy your way into heaven by reducing your time in purgatory by paying an indulgence and receive your insurance certificate, the modern day equivalent is to blow yourself up and collect 51 virgins as you pass go!) and then there was Pope Urban II who incited the crusades - its all his fault !.

Most if not all human interactive structures require some form of hierarchical control just like secular Government or the electrical industry........

 

[Deleted member 72666]

I think people forget that the muslim faith has many different varieties of as with the Christian faith, some are extremist some are pacifists some will hate other religions some we'll live with other religion some will embrace other religions. All will have different interpretations of their own big book because at the end of the day it is how do you read it and what some man wearing a robe teaches you, as for the newsagent that was heartlessly killed his belief and following in braces other religions to the point that other Muslim sects do not like them, this has also happened within the Christian community where catholics has waged war against Other Christians who pray a different way and other christians waged war on catholics, we have just celebrated Easter but orthodox Christians do not celebrate Easter at the same time as us they have a pacific date where they celebrate it not a government defined weekend.
Once upon a time there was UK law then devolution started to happen and the Scots got their own Parliament but now makes their own rules the Welsh got given The power to make their own rules as long as Westminster liked them , Northern Ireland were given the power to elect IRA killers and silly people.
Let's not Forget that the catholic church puts hundreds thousands of people to death every year by not allowing someone to put a condom on their thing

Not entirely true, they occasionally fall at the same time, 2017 will be the next time this happens and 2011 was the last time they coincided. But It does seem strange that whatever calendar is used Easter is not a fixed date ie 3rd weekend in March or April etc.

 

[telectrix]

perhaps it's due to mild winters some years. the eggs are ready sooner. :21:

 

[Barry White]

Seems he drove over 200 miles from bradford to scotland to do the deed.
quote from daily record "“The theory is that he saw what Asad was saying on Youtube and Facebook and drove up to track him down. The hardline Sunni Muslims call Ahmadiyya Muslims kafir. They say they are non-believers.It’s not unusual in other countries to see them killed just for their beliefs, it’s been going on for years"

Police believe Asad Shah killer travelled 200 miles to launch attack on popular Glasgow shopkeeper - Daily Record

If this is true its definatly a premeditated act to kill someone you have not met and we should be worried about it.

 

[ackbarthestar]

If this is true its definatly a premeditated act to kill someone you have not met and we should be worried about it.

I suspect the authorities will have to play it carefully as this nutter is likely to have driven back to Bradford and strapped on his C4 nightshirt awaiting the knock on the door

 

[Barry White]

Tanveer Ahmed, from Bradford, West Yorkshire is accused of killing Asad Shah, 40, outside his corner shop in Glasgow’s Shawlands area on Thursday night.
The 32-year-old made no plea or declaration at the hearing at Glasgow Sheriff Court on Tuesday and was remanded in custody pending a further court appearance.

Asad Shah murder: Man appears in court charged over death of Muslim shopkeeper in Glasgow | Crime | News | The Independent