Should Electric Oven Have Switch? & Question re. Whether Need New Cert.

[Novice12]

Hello,

I have just had a new builder with his own Electrician come in to do the following:
Kitchen:
- Install an electric oven. There was a switch / cable in the kitchen already for it to be connected to done by the previous builder's Electrician.
- Install an electric extractor hood in kitchen.
- Wire up gas hob for its electrical ignition.
Bathroom:
- Install electric shower. There was already an electric cable for the shower left loose in the loft above bathroom and connected to the fuse board at the other end which was done by a previous builder's Electrician.

On inspecting the kitchen I have found that there is one new wall plug socket into which the plug for the ignnition for the gas hob goes and there is 1 new switch which is for the electric extractor hood. I can't locate a switch in the kitchen for the electric oven.

My questions are:
1. Should there be a switch in the kitchen for the electric oven or is it sufficient for this to be switched on or off at the fuse board as it has its own circuit there and if there should be a switch in the kitchen should this be visible/readily accessible because at the moment I can't locate one and I am thinking that maybe if there is one it is hidden somewhere, perhaps behind the oven.

2. What certificate/s if any should the Elecrician have provided for this work as he has added 1 new plug socket and one new switch for the extractor hood and also installed electric shower onto and already installed electric shower cable.

3. Should my builder be holding back the certificate/s untill he has been paid in full?

Thanks,

A

 

[Octopus]

was their a contract from the first say builder .in writing and second in writing .
and signed ?
the second builder does not have to hand over the test cert till payment is made
how ever he can reg the job within the 30days of completing the said works

100% wrong unless this was stated on the builders quote.

Back to the OP - so the first electrician rewired the house completely and didn't leave any spare ways?

 

[Novice12]

100% wrong unless this was stated on the builders quote.

Back to the OP - so the first electrician rewired the house completely and didn't leave any spare ways?

That's right. I said to the builder from the very start I wanted to have an electric shower. I said I wanted to have one in addition to probably having a combi boiler supplied shower too in case ever have a boiler breakdown so I can still have shower etc. However installing the shower itself was not part of his work, only to wire-up the house so I can have one installed in the 2nd stage of the works. He then went and got a 10-way consumer unit and told the Electrician to install. I think the builder forgot about the cable for the shower and then must have bought the inadequate 6mm2 cable. The electrician told me after that the builder had told him that the shower would probably never be used/installed even though I had been 100% clear from the very start that I wanted one so the wiring for one was needed. This meant the cable was put in but I gather was not actually attached to a circuit on the consumer unit but rather just tucked away behind it or something.

 

[Midwest]

That's the problem with builders, they think they know best. Just let them pour the cement, and put the bricks one on top the other. Ask your technical questions for the other aspects of the work, to the trade that is carrying out the work.

 

[Octopus]

So the rewire CU didn't comply with the regs then... there should ALWAYS be spare ways.....

Next time you get some work done, make sure you engage a spark who knows what he's doing and doesn't allow the builder to supply the parts..

 

[Octopus]

So the rewire CU didn't comply with the regs then... there should ALWAYS be spare ways.....

Next time you get some work done, make sure you engage a spark who knows what he's doing and doesn't allow the builder to supply the parts..

 

[Taylortwocities]

So the rewire CU didn't comply with the regs then... there should ALWAYS be spare ways.....

I agree with the PRINCIPLE of that. But I have never seen a regulation.
Reference number please!

 

[sham]

I man over cooked his food in the oven, which caused a fire, which made ir difficult for him to turn off the cooker nobs. If he had a switch, he could off turnedbthe whole lot off. When the fire started, he never thought of turning the MCB at the board. The firemen told him there needs to be a switch. He complained to the landlord, which was stupid because he installed the cooker himself.

 

[Midwest]

Sparksburntout, if your reading these posts from afar, in your enforced absence, you'll see the standards of spelling and grammar are not improving.

 

[Midwest]

I agree with the PRINCIPLE of that. But I have never seen a regulation.
Reference number please!

We all have our off days, when we say things we regret, even Murdoch.

Here's him putting that right #8; Consumer Unit regulations - http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk/threads/consumer-unit-regulations.54749/

Frightening putting stuff on the web, its there for importunity

 

[Novice12]

That's the problem with builders, they think they know best. Just let them pour the cement, and put the bricks one on top the other. Ask your technical questions for the other aspects of the work, to the trade that is carrying out the work.

I think the last builder was shielding him from me. The Electrician later told me he likes to meet the client to discuss the client's needs. I don't know why he didn't do this in my case.

 

[Midwest]

Nope most builders think they are the bee's knee's and know all there is to know about everything. Quite frankly, most only know how to lay bricks, plaster or cut wood, and some not all of them together.

 

[Rosco]

I think the last builder was shielding him from me. The Electrician later told me he likes to meet the client to discuss the client's needs. I don't know why he didn't do this in my case.

That's normally because the builder doesn't want the conversation to go to money and you realise the mark up he's put on top for the sparks

 

[Midwest]

We all have our off days, when we say things we regret, even Murdoch.

Here's him putting that right #8; Consumer Unit regulations - http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk/threads/consumer-unit-regulations.54749/

Frightening putting stuff on the web, its there for importunity

Sorry Sparksburntout, meant to say Perpetuity. Can only blame it on a gin & tonic I had in my grubby hand at the time.

 

[Rpa07]

Sorry Sparksburntout, meant to say Perpetuity. Can only blame it on a gin & tonic I had in my grubby hand at the time.

If sparksburntout were here, God bless his period of naughty step! he would, no doubtedly, say "quoting yourself in the sober light of day - oh the mighty have fallen" or something like that!

 

[Midwest]

If sparksburntout were here, God bless his period of naughty step! he would, no doubtedly, say "quoting yourself in the sober light of day - oh the mighty have fallen" or something like that!

Just goes to show, nobody else spotted it. With Sparksburntout self imposed absence, seems only right to correct it myself