Should the UK pay up? UK told to pay £1.7bn extra to EU

[shanky887614]

There are several Hard right wing enthusiasts here, any debate ends up talking about African asylum seekers, even if we are talking about white women becomming leaders of their parties lmao.

i think there are a lot of secret bnp supporters here

 

[Guest77]

Oh god yeah, several, without a doubt.

 

[rapparee]

I see this bill has been cut to £850m

 

[Darkwood]

No it hasn't ... we are still paying the 1.7 but due to the delay it has been offset by rebate we were going to get anyway next year.... smoke and mirrors, nothings changed except the dates, they have not made a victory by halving the amount, that was a given anyway. Had we payed 1.7billion on dec 1 then net year we still would have got the 850million rebate, all the goverment has done is use the rebate that was already known to be coming and make it look like a victory for Cam' ..... its treating the public as stupid and tbh most are but it offends me that they think we wouldn't see through it.

 

[Octopus]

Talking of smoke and mirrors - can anyone explain to me how the contributions the countries makes are calculated?

 

[Darkwood]

Talking of smoke and mirrors - can anyone explain to me how the contributions the countries makes are calculated?

Net GDP but the EU revised it to include money spent on prostitution and drug....... errmm now can't remember the last time I saw a tax return from a pimp!.. nor how you can calculate it either, a last ditch attemp on the EU's part to milk the cash cow just in case we leave.

 

[Octopus]

Net GDP but the EU revised it to include money spent on prostitution and drug....... errmm now can't remember the last time I saw a tax return from a pimp!.. nor how you can calculate it either, a last ditch attemp on the EU's part to milk the cash cow just in case we leave.

I heard it reported that they estimate the "black economy" - how the hell do they do that?

As I previously asked can anyone link to the calculations?

 

[rapparee]

No it hasn't ... we are still paying the 1.7 but due to the delay it has been offset by rebate we were going to get anyway next year.... smoke and mirrors, nothings changed except the dates, they have not made a victory by halving the amount, that was a given anyway. Had we payed 1.7billion on dec 1 then net year we still would have got the 850million rebate, all the goverment has done is use the rebate that was already known to be coming and make it look like a victory for Cam' ..... its treating the public as stupid and tbh most are but it offends me that they think we wouldn't see through it.

So what is the craic, if they hadn't of paid the £1.7bn they would still have got the extra £850m coming to them anyhow.

 

[Darkwood]

So what is the craic, if they hadn't of paid the £1.7bn they would still have got the extra £850m coming to them anyhow.

If we refused to pay the 1.7billion do you honestly think the EU would have give us the rebate... they are crooks and money launderers they have 10 of billions of Euro's un-accounted for in their audits, some has gone missing and is linked to funding terrorist groups, its a complete shambles ....

It just takes someone with guts to say Yes! Ill pay your 1.7billion as you want but I need to see your accounts and that your spending my investment wisely, only one person ever challenged the EU and its lack of accountability for all the missing money that was a rising figure in politics Mr Nigel Farage at one of the EU nations meetings, the EU's response was to ask why he was so against the EU and he replied - wasn't my question to an unelected head of the EU a very good reason on its own merit!
The fact is if the EU was a bank it would have been closed down and those in high jobs would have been jailed for fraud but no its the EU and has no accountability to anyone.

 

[rapparee]

Is the uk rebate not set in stone. 2/3 of surplus cash returned to uk to make up for the low common agricultural policy payments the uk recieves.

 

[UNG]

If we refused to pay the 1.7billion do you honestly think the EU would have give us the rebate... they are crooks and money launderers they have 10 of billions of Euro's un-accounted for in their audits, some has gone missing and is linked to funding terrorist groups, its a complete shambles ....

It just takes someone with guts to say Yes! Ill pay your 1.7billion as you want but I need to see your accounts and that your spending my investment wisely, only one person ever challenged the EU and its lack of accountability for all the missing money that was a rising figure in politics Mr Nigel Farage at one of the EU nations meetings, the EU's response was to ask why he was so against the EU and he replied - wasn't my question to an unelected head of the EU a very good reason on its own merit!
The fact is if the EU was a bank it would have been closed down and those in high jobs would have been jailed for fraud but no its the EU and has no accountability to anyone.

Wasn't Kinnock the EU commissioner who was appointed to sort out the accountability issue I seem to recall the senior auditor at the time refused to sign off the accounts it was sorted out though they fired her and found somebody who would

 

[Guest77]

Political parties aside, we have to pay the Money, we signed up and agreed to it, end of, the bullsh%te over the last week or so from the Chancellor is purely down to next may and the back benchers supporting UKIP, if it was a year or two into the term it would have been settled and we would never had heard a thing from anyone, all bullsh%te.

 

[Octopus]

Politics aside, one Tony Blair gave up 50% of our rebate in 2003 or 2004 in exchange for reform of the CAP - which has never happened. I also heard on the radio today that UK plc is still going to give £2 billion pounds to the Euro "fund".

Seems to me we are bending over and getting shafted all the time.

 

[Darkwood]

At the end of the day, politics is about stealth, slight of hand and illusions.

People will vote for a party that puts £100 pound in their pocket not realising they are taking an extra £200 out of their pockets in hidden costs and taxes.
This is unfortunately the reality of this country as education is at an all time low and voting like always is usually a poor turnout (scots referendum aside).... the people cannot choose who is best to run the country when they don't understand basic politics, so until it becomes part of the education system we will always be run by the best magicians.

 

[Octopus]

The problem with the companies employing "foreigners" comes back to poor parenting, poor schooling & exam results and the plethora ort stupid TV programmes advocating becoming a "star" and getting paid silly amounts of money for doing SFA.

Parents and kids alike, across the UK from ALL back grounds need to understand that there isn't a pot of gold awaiting after school irrespective of exam results, nor are "entry" jobs well paid, and that career progression requires dedication to the job, turning up on time EVERY day and on occassions doing some unpaid extras.