Shower or Basin?xxxxxxx

[Zdb]

So I've been doing some work in a building and the fuseboard is located in a room which has been converted to a "multifaith room". It's basically a prayer room for Muslims as it's been kitted out with the facility to wash their feet and also a hand dryer mounted low level to then their dry feet.

I couldn't help but notice the proximity of the water outlet to the hand dryer and also the distribution boards.

Any thoughts?

 

[Wilko]

Im putting my tin hat on and saying the set up does not contravene any regulation. Whilst not practical it is compliant

I can't work out if it fits 701.1 or not. In terms of shock hazard, having wet feet must increase this beyond a normal hand washing sink. And having a long hose on the rose suggests a shower to me. Electrically, I think I'd treat it as a special location

 

[westward10]

That is a room containing a shower discussing the basin is irrelevant. The only shower facilities which escape Section 701 are emergency showers. In your case Section 701 must apply.

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

I can't work out if it fits 701.1 or not. In terms of shock hazard, having wet feet must increase this beyond a normal hand washing sink. And having a long hose on the rose suggests a shower to me. Electrically, I think I'd treat it as a special location

Good points, however if you were treating it as a shower, i would say that the spur and dryer are far enough away to be out of Zone 2. Technically if i wanted to from my shower i could probably spray the landing socket with the right water trajectory.

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

That is a room containing a shower discussing the basin is irrelevant. The only shower facilities which escape Section 701 are emergency showers. In your case Section 701 must apply.

Where would you say the zones are for this set up though?

Wish they just had a paper towel diapenser.

 

[Rpa07]

That’s a lot of talk but who’s brave enough to tell them it all needs upgrading! Just don’t do a drawing, it may be misconstrued!

 

[GBDamo]

No matter how you dress it up that's a shower regardless of intended use.

I'm guessing one of the users has a relative who does some 'electrics' to save a few quid.

So this is a shower too?

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

I mean... If you look up in the dictionary shower that basin hose, technically isnt a shower.

Im writing in this thread with common sense and a bit tongue in cheek, as if thats me id be on the blower to the NIC.

 

[Rpa07]

In the second photo, the one where you are interviewing the Robot butler - what was their take on the situation?

 

[GBDamo]

I mean... If you look up in the dictionary shower that basin hose, technically isnt a shower.

Im writing in this thread with common sense and a bit tongue in cheek, as if thats me id be on the blower to the NIC.

Me too..

Not #MeToo, i wasn't touched in the bottom by a film director.

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

I was meggered across the bottom as an apprentice, does that count

#Metoo

 

[GBDamo]

I was meggered across the bottom as an apprentice, does that count

#Metoo

Write in to the Guardian with that one.

 

[telectrix]

Technically if i wanted to from my shower i could probably spray the landing socket with the right water trajectory.

if you can pi$$ that far, ever considered being a firefighter?

 

[Strima]

So this is a shower too?

Nope, that's a sink hose. Or a shower for dwarves, take your pick.

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

Well i mean, were trying to decide if the basin in the OP is actually a basin or a midgit bath, so a midget shower isnt necessarily out of place in this thread.

 

[Flanders]

May be it just needs a shorter hose on the shower head and turn the pressure of the water down, is this not the same as a hair dressers where they have shower heads over the basins? I would not say its a special location but the accessories , hand drier and fuse board may not be suitable for the environment they are in ?

 

[KEV 1 N]

 

[Zdb]

How far from the edge of the basin is the equipment?

It was 1 metre from the edge of the basin to the hand dryer/spur and 2.2 metres from the edge of the basin to the distribution boards.

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

All depends on where you would class as the Zone edges then. I wouldnt know how to call that for you unfortunately as i genuinely have no idea. I think you should lean on your scheme on this one, atleast you will get something back for the fee.

 

[Bellendian]

My biggest worry is that it is specifically for the cleaning of feet, and I'm pretty sure that wet bare feet and the improved connection to earth via said wet feet is the main reason for more stringent requirements in bath and shower rooms. You can easily have wet hands in a kitchen or toilet, but these are not special locations.
Interesting scenario, not one I've come across before, but my gut instinct is that some improvement needs to be made here. How you apply the regs to it is more difficult, but I think it would be appropriate to classify this as a room containing a shower, since it is specifically intended for use as a body wash, not a flexible dishwashing device.

 

[John Arnold]

I doubt if anyone checked if it was safe or compliant with regulations before installing the footbath and dryer. I would not want them in the same room as those large consumer units steam will fill the room. Install a shorter hose on the shower head say half length, that would help. Seems to be an enclosed room where is the extractor fan to comply with building regs?not for me.

 

[sheppertonspark]

Forget the regs it's lethal. The distances in the regs are for a fixed shower head not one you could wash the whole room down with. I would give it a C1

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

What reg would you tell them it contravened if they questioned it?

 

[sheppertonspark]

What reg would you tell them it contravened if they questioned it?

Not sure what reg I would quote, I am thinking with my NICEIC hat on, just cover your arse. The regs can be interpreted in lots of ways but sometimes common sense has to prevail. The 17th edition stated that equipment must be suitable for the location, that's why you can't have a light switch for example. Outside the zones was still required to be IPX4. Best I can do from the 18th 701.512.2 footnote. Equipment exposed to water jets minimum degree of protection IPX5 they use the example of "for cleaning" my example "spraying water round like an idiot".

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

I like it.