signing off part p

[sixfingers]

it was meant to say sign off other peoples work, but as you are being picky it didnt state nic or elesca etc so i just quoted nic as thats who im with... and i pointed it out as u have a trustmark badge on your logo with nic , so are you with them or are you just faking it,,,

Well i must be faking it! The question was about Part P and not scheme providers magical ways!

 

[eddielarge]

Well i must be faking it! The question was about Part P and not scheme providers magical ways!

yes and i answered that in my 1st post , maybe you should check

 

[Graeme Harrold]

Well i must be faking it! The question was about Part P and not scheme providers magical ways!

In that regard, then no. Part P (schemes) was specifcally brought in for SELF CERTIFICATION on domestic properties. Anyone else is either severly bending or breaking the rules.........

 

[bugsy]

Here lies my biggest irritation with the Niceic
They use the Qs system,which was intended for approved contractors with a large workforce on largish jobs
That system was and still is abused

They then have the nerve to introduce that criminal system into their domestic installer scheme

The problem that it creates,is a one man qualified domestic installer employing many unskilled operatives and oversigining that unskilled work

Part p was meant to provide self (individual certification) the Niceic has manipulated the scheme to continue with the crimnal Qs system and will probably be forced by the government to change its ways

So to the op,yes you can oversign others work,as long as you are Niceic and they are your employees or sub contractors

The government are very concerned of the abuse that is, or may be, happening with that system. that it will more than likely force a change

In what way do you think it's abused, It's the QM's job to test and verify their companies installations , are you suggesting that they will sign off sub standard work

 

[sixfingers]

In that regard, then no. Part P (schemes) was specifcally brought in for SELF CERTIFICATION on domestic properties. Anyone else is either severly bending or breaking the rules.........

So you cant employ 10 sparks for domestics and sign works off under part p then?

 

[eddielarge]

So you cant employ 10 sparks for domestics and sign works off under part p then?

If you had 10 sparks working for you, why the hell would would you not just sign up for full membership and not do away with domestic part p.

but hey if you want to sign off work for everyone you keep doing it

 

[sixfingers]

If you had 10 sparks working for you, why the hell would would you not just sign up for full membership and not do away with domestic part p.

but hey if you want to sign off work for everyone you keep doing it

It does not matter if you are full membership or domestic part p you still have to comply with part p regulations! No differance!
They work for you,So you sign there work off under part p ! And use a genric domestic installation cert so you can get both your names on there under construction etc.

 

[eddielarge]

It does not matter if you are full membership or domestic part p you still have to comply with part p regulations! No differance!
They work for you,So you sign there work off under part p ! And use a genric domestic installation cert so you can get both your names on there under construction etc.

so as you pointed out earlier lets get back to the question , it wasnt can you sign of work for 10 sparks that work for you it was can you sign off another sparks work ,, and the answer is still NO
but as i said u can sign what you like,

 

[bugsy]

There is an exception to this,
LBC can elect a registered part P contractor to sign of a non part p sparkies work but as said LBC elected

And generally the answer is still NO.

 

[Des 56]

In what way do you think it's abused, It's the QM's job to test and verify their companies installations , are you suggesting that they will sign off sub standard work

In a nutshell,yes,many many nic companies are and have been notorius for this practise,
that is why I have no regard for the nic system whatsoever

This is by the way, first hand experience of such practices by many firms over many years

It is done because of,not in spite of,the **** poor system that is the Qualifying supervisor nonesense

The comments I make are to do with the system and not the competence of its membership

 

[andyb]

On the NIC certificates there are boxes for the person carrying out the work to sign and another for the qualified supervisor to sign.

Other than a one man band how else could you do it?
I assumed all scheme providers certificate were like this.

 

[cornburn]

Anyone who works for NIC on the forum? We might be here a while otherwise! I would say if the person who did the work was competant, subbed by you and was under your supervision then you probably could sign the work off if all the readings etc were as expected, and it would probably all be above board. That's how AC works so I guess is the same? Only difference is notifying buiding control after all. Having said that, I wouldn't personally be comfortable assuming that responsibility.

 

[Johno]

sixfingers, at the end of the day if you want to work by the book then you should not register someone elses work, but what you do is up to you, and you will have to deal with any comebacks

 

[bugsy]

On the NIC certificates there are boxes for the person carrying out the work to sign and another for the qualified supervisor to sign.

Other than a one man band how else could you do it?
I assumed all scheme providers certificate were like this.

Actually the two boxes are for desiogn responsiblity and installation responsibilty

They may not be the same person

Design -- consulting engineer
Installation - contactor for whom QS takes responsibilty

 

[andyb]

Actually the two boxes are for desiogn responsiblity and installation responsibilty

They may not be the same person

Design -- consulting engineer
Installation - contactor for whom QS takes responsibilty

They may not be the same person, in which case a certificate with boxes for design, construction and testing is needed.
In the vast majority of domestic work these are all done by the same person.

In my case, the lad who works for me signs this box and I as the qualifying supervisor check the certificate and sign that box.

I think that when people talk about signing off other peoples work, they are referring to work carried out by a completely separate third party and as has been said many times before this is a no no.