Sleeving, grommets and other lazy faults

[grimysparks80]

Im getting really sick of going to jobs that have been done in the last few years where the electrician hasnt used sleeving, grommets ect. Im finding it very rare for electricians to bother with this stuff.

Ive spent the last couple of months going round putting right and checking jobs done by other sparks and most of them have needed sleeving done on them.

A lot of these jobs were done perfectly well apart from this one thing.

I know its only minor but when im doing anything with these jobs i have to disconnect all the cables and sleeve them up. It really irritates me. Ive spoken to plenty of sparks who I would consider to be better than me generally in terms of knowledge or skill, buit they refuse to use sleeving as they dont see the point.

Does anyone else find this is widespread?

How do you guys feel about sleeving cables?

 

[vernam616]

You will find the sparks who dont use sleeving/grommits etc.. are generally the ones who havnt served their time

I spent 4 years following some good electricians, these boys go to night school for a few weeks and became a spark and obviously dont have that "time served" experience which would have taught them that things like that is not good practice at all

Im pretty sure we all pick little things up whilst learning, one of mine was folding top and bottom lugs in on a 1g KO box, so the possibilty of a cable being snagged are unlikely, another one that i see often is the lack of dressing cables into boxs or CU's

 

[GLENNSPARK]

You will find the sparks who dont use sleeving/grommits etc.. are generally the ones who havnt served their time

I spent 4 years following some good electricians, these boys go to night school for a few weeks and became a spark and obviously dont have that "time served" experience which would have taught them that things like that is not good practice at all

Im pretty sure we all pick little things up whilst learning, one of mine was folding top and bottom lugs in on a 1g KO box, so the possibilty of a cable being snagged are unlikely, another one that i see often is the lack of dressing cables into boxs or CU's

I guess that this alsu includes those "sparks" that keep cropping the earths at backboxes pics of which we keep seing on here..lol..........

 

[topquark]

You will find the sparks who dont use sleeving/grommits etc.. are generally the ones who havnt served their time

I spent 4 years following some good electricians, these boys go to night school for a few weeks and became a spark and obviously dont have that "time served" experience which would have taught them that things like that is not good practice at all

Im pretty sure we all pick little things up whilst learning, one of mine was folding top and bottom lugs in on a 1g KO box, so the possibilty of a cable being snagged are unlikely, another one that i see often is the lack of dressing cables into boxs or CU's

Yep, lock 'em up

 

[telectrix]

save a few thousand of these cropped cpc's and you've got a nice little weigh-in.

 

[topquark]

'spose that could replace my beer money jar, save all the copper offcuts.

 

[vitoboy]

nogrommits.
nosleeving.
nosparks!


nospacebar!
vito

 

[telectrix]

isn't a space bar where aliens go to get pi**ed?

 

[GLENNSPARK]

'spose that could replace my beer money jar, save all the copper offcuts.

I bet you still have those great big jars.....full of pennies 1 each side of the fake stone fireplace complete wuth "cannon gas mizer".....all the rage in the 70s:yesnod:.....lol.........

 

[topquark]

5p's these days, hate the damn things. No parking meter takes 'em, don't know why we have them.

 

[telectrix]

because if you collect enough 5p's you can then purchase an " out of order" bag to put over the parking meter.

 

[topquark]

or over me head! Great idea, I need a beer!

 

[Grommit]

I've read this thread with interest.

RYB, Brown Black Grey, L1 L2 L3. Simple.

Not so simple it seems for entrants into the industry for those who have no ingrained experience of RYB.

As the poster name suggests (although spelt differently), use of grommets has been with me since my first days in the industry (1972). Sometimes it's been a bush and locknut/ring where appropriate.

Recently on a job, the now sent on his way Part P/NAFFOFF registered "fully qualified electrician" had sleeved the black of his 6243Y cables with blue. Naughty boy, as when I went in to finish off connecting up 2ways & smoke alarms, I had to change the existing to the "The Way" of sleeving things.

In the days before sleeving, I wrapped coloured tape around conductors to identify them. If its quicker to wrap tape around existing unidentified conductors than disconnect, then I do. Still identified, agreed ?

 

[Thomas123]

if using a 3 core cable do you only have to sleeve the grey as blue? Black doesnt need to be sleeved brown as its a line conductor colour anyway? or is this wrong.

 

[topquark]

if using a 3 core cable do you only have to sleeve the grey as blue? Black doesnt need to be sleeved brown as its a line conductor colour anyway? or is this wrong.

What line conductor do you think black is?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

With single phase, the only colour allowed for a line conductor is brown.