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[onfire25]

Wiring is the same.....you go from from a-b with a few switches between!

 

[Thefailsafe2012]

but when it comes to wiring, i strugle,

And spelling

Oooooh sorry geez couldn't resist

 

[Stroppy]

I've never really seen the point in putting triple pole isolators in for fans. If you need to 'perform maintenance' on something you generally isolate the circuit it is on, so why are fans different?

The half-witted ape who built and wired my bathroom (it wasn't me, before you ask) didn't put in a TPI for the fan, so when I changed it for one that worked I just isolated the lighting circuit. Easy.

 

[shagbite]

I've never really seen the point in putting triple pole isolators in for fans. If you need to 'perform maintenance' on something you generally isolate the circuit it is on, so why are fans different?

The half-witted ape who built and wired my bathroom (it wasn't me, before you ask) didn't put in a TPI for the fan, so when I changed it for one that worked I just isolated the lighting circuit. Easy.

it simply removes the inconveniences that can arise from isolating an entire lighting circuit. i always fit fan isolators - love 'em.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

A lot of people opt for TP isolators, if the bath/shower room or even toilet has no natural light.
That way work can be conducted with the light on and without having to use a torch.

 

[MDJ]

Also good practise IMO, local isolation for a moving part, maybe not regs, not sure about that will have to check, but in anycase good practise

 

[Octopus]

Yet another stupid example of the regs.

The regs for fixed equipment like fans should read "local isolation by means of DP or 3P isolation must be installed within easy reach to allow the item to be isolated from the supply circuit" Particulaly useful for fault finding and isolation when performing IR tests.

I was doing fault finding on a lighting circuit on Friday and not 1 of the 3 fans had isolation - so I had to physically disconnect each one.

Not fitting isolators is bad practice IMHO.

 

[shocking_eg]

is this a wind up ? lol

 

[D Skelton]

Ah, fans and triple pole isolators, my favourite subject!

No......you need to go from the switch to a TP fan isolator then the fan.

Common - perm live at fan isolator (brown)
S/L - S/L at fan isolator (black....remember to sleeve)
Neutral - Neutral (gray......remember to sleeve)

Then wire from the isolator to the fan!

Failing that......rtfm.....or call a professional spark

Please have a read of this if you'd like to know more about the subject and why you are not required (unless the manufacturers specify to do so) to fit a 3 pole isolator:

http://www.electriciansforums.net/e...3-pole-isolation-source-much-controversy.html

 

[MDJ]

I enjoyed the thread there Buddy, however totally confused by it, so are you saying a triple pole isolator is not required but isolation is? or is the post so long I cannot work out what is being said ?

 

[D Skelton]

Put simply, the only time a 3 pole isolator is required is if the manufacturers instructions specify that one must be fitted.

Every electrical circuit must have a point of isolation. Every electrical circuit can effectively be isolated by use of the main switch.

Local isolation is a made up term and is found nowhere in BS 7671. 'Readily accessible means of switching off' which does appear all over the BGB, is open to interpretation.


These are the main points I try to make in that post, is there anything specific you need clarification of bud?

 

[Octopus]

Putting it simply a fan is a fixed piece of equipment and good practice says that you should always install local DP or TP isolation, plus fuse down if directed by the manufacturers instructions.

 

[shagbite]

it might not be in the wiring reg's, but the building reg's says that "an extractor fan supplied from a lighting circuit for a bathroom without a window should have it's own means of isolation, as otherwise replacement or maintenance of the fan would have to be carried out in the dark. an isolation switch for a fan with an overrun facility will need to be triple-pole (switch wire, line and neutral), and must be installed outside of zones 0, 1 and 2."

 

[MDJ]

Put simply, the only time a 3 pole isolator is required is if the manufacturers instructions specify that one must be fitted.

Every electrical circuit must have a point of isolation. Every electrical circuit can effectively be isolated by use of the main switch.

Local isolation is a made up term and is found nowhere in BS 7671. 'Readily accessible means of switching off' which does appear all over the BGB, is open to interpretation.


These are the main points I try to make in that post, is there anything specific you need clarification of bud?

Oh right, so theres no reg to state a triple pole is required but down to the manufacturer? however an isolation point is required? fair enough, I just like clarification incase an engineer who I may work with tries to tell me otherwise, I always fit a triple pole if a timer fan is used, or a double pole if it is a PIR fan, But I enjoy trying to get one over engineers, It doesn't happen very often though haha

 

[D Skelton]

it might not be in the wiring reg's, but the building reg's says that "an extractor fan supplied from a lighting circuit for a bathroom without a window should have it's own means of isolation, as otherwise replacement or maintenance of the fan would have to be carried out in the dark. an isolation switch for a fan with an overrun facility will need to be triple-pole (switch wire, line and neutral), and must be installed outside of zones 0, 1 and 2."

No it doesn't, what you have posted there is a direct quote from The Electricians Guide To The Building Regulations. This book is as it says... a guide. It is simply a book, written by an individual and is not statutory in any shape or form.