Sockets in sink cupboards and standard cupboards.

[TJC1]

Need some advice.
We do a lot of electrical work for an upscale kitchen company. Avg price of £25000+
And most of the time the customers want a '' Stream Line '' look. So want as many as the socket hidden away as possible '' ie pop up sockets, roll over socket or socket in cupboards or ontop.

What do people think of placing sockets in cupboards, which ovs will be filled in the norm and wont be accessible without emptying cupboards, inside sink cupboards. And above cooker housing, which wont be accessible without a step ladder of some kind?

I cant see any other options? Without having sockets, fuse spurs and cooker panels above the work top.

Many thanks.

 

[Dave OCD]

I worked in a posh place with a posh kitchen last Monday but in one of the bathrooms, there must have been a problem with the kettle there as I wasn't offered a cuppa in all of the 4 hours I was there, the invoice went up a bit because of that.:icon7:

 

[uksparks]

I often mount sockets in cupboards when doing kitchens, so long as it's accessible and mounted securely there's no issue.

im doing a kitchen on Monday as it happens, the only thing about it is, the bloke wants all his plug sockets removing from above the worktop and putting in cupboards as he said he wants the minimalist look, but after me having a debate with him how sodding stupid it would be as how is he going to if the kettle etc in he then changed his mind.

 

[Midwest]

Did you ask them what the warranty issue was? Or just believe the random stranger on the end of the phone knows what they are talking about?

Should he just keep ringing till he founds the answer you want. I've googled the subject, and there are as you say references to removing moulded plug does not affect your rights under the sale of goods act. Here's one such reply;

'You can remove the plug on any electrical appliance without it automatically affecting the warranty, as long as the removal of the plug has not been the cause of the damage to the appliance, then the warranty would still be valid. However, if the manufacturer claimed any resulting damage has occurred due to the incorrect re-fitting of a replacement plug, you may have quite a difficult task in disproving their claim.

The best way to protect against this; also help to safeguard your property and against any such doubt, would be to have a competent electrician carry out this small job and issue a electrical safety and compliance certificate. This would help protect you in any such event and in this instance the company would have great difficulty in blaming you for any failure of the appliance'.

The advise is that the replacement should be fitted correctly. The advise quite often as above, suggest obtaining a certificate from the electrician. This one from Panasonic (I know its a TV), says do not cut off the moulded plug (bottom of page 4);
http://panasonic.net/prodisplays/download/pdf/instructions/TH-80LFB70_UEW_QSG_eng.pdf

Personally, if I'm doing a kitchen, the appliances keep their supplied plugs & leads, and are plugged into sockets mounted in a suitable location. I'm not taking on the perceived responsibility (via the said suggested certificate) for several expensive appliances, and being involved in lengthy litigation bewteen client and manufacture, if an appliances malfunctions, when there is a less stressful alternative.

 

[Blademan_98]

Should he just keep ringing till he founds the answer you want. I've googled the subject, and there are as you say references to removing moulded plug does not affect your rights under the sale of goods act. Here's one such reply;

'You can remove the plug on any electrical appliance without it automatically affecting the warranty, as long as the removal of the plug has not been the cause of the damage to the appliance, then the warranty would still be valid. However, if the manufacturer claimed any resulting damage has occurred due to the incorrect re-fitting of a replacement plug, you may have quite a difficult task in disproving their claim.

The best way to protect against this; also help to safeguard your property and against any such doubt, would be to have a competent electrician carry out this small job and issue a electrical safety and compliance certificate. This would help protect you in any such event and in this instance the company would have great difficulty in blaming you for any failure of the appliance'.

The advise is that the replacement should be fitted correctly. The advise quite often as above, suggest obtaining a certificate from the electrician. This one from Panasonic (I know its a TV), says do not cut off the moulded plug (bottom of page 4);
http://panasonic.net/prodisplays/download/pdf/instructions/TH-80LFB70_UEW_QSG_eng.pdf

Personally, if I'm doing a kitchen, the appliances keep their supplied plugs & leads, and are plugged into sockets mounted in a suitable location. I'm not taking on the perceived responsibility (via the said suggested certificate) for several expensive appliances, and being involved in lengthy litigation bewteen client and manufacture, if an appliances malfunctions, when there is a less stressful alternative.

I like this reply. The path of least resistance is usually best!

 

[telectrix]

or core drill a 3" hole into the lounge and plug in behind the telly.:greedy:

 

[The Flyinhos]

Isnt your biggest issue the height of the sockets, check out part p assuming the kitchens are domestic

 

[Leesparkykent]

Isnt your biggest issue the height of the sockets, check out part p assuming the kitchens are domestic

What do you mean?

 

[snowhead]

Isnt your biggest issue the height of the sockets, check out part p assuming the kitchens are domestic

It's Part M section 8 not part P

Height of switches and sockets recommended between 450 and 1200mm, about half way up a base kitchen unit.
Where's the problem?

 

[7029 dave]

Big money being payed here, no comment.

 

[ipf]

As I asked earlier, please can you support this idea that the warranty will be void with some facts?

Under the sale of goods act the warranty on anything but the plug cannot be voided by cutting the plug off.

Unless it's plugged in and switched on............:smile5:

 

[madmaz]

With built in appliances to save cutting the plug off I fit a fused spur in the neighbouring cupboard and connect a trailing socket to it behind the plinth then plug the appliance in there, done it for years now no issues