sockets wired in 1.0mm 3 core flex

[tony mc]

If you carried out a PIR and on the EICR you have agreed that the kitchen final ring was not to be included and is documented as a limitation I can't see any problem.

However on connecting the new consumer unit you have to test all circuits before connecting to the new CU and the Kitchen ring in 1mm flex can not be reconnected!

I don't beleive anyone is saying you should check every socket light fitting Why would you check anything in the Kitchen if its a Limitation.

IMO it was your first post about leaving the 1mm flex and docmenting the EIR as a departure which has caused the concern!

 

[electrician4u]

Ohms law.


But it's not.

Think you need math evening classes if you disagree with my statement

 

[ruston]

Two regs show in the replies that it is against the regs to use 1mm on sockets.

 

[Geordie Spark]

If you carried out a PIR and on the EICR you have agreed that the kitchen final ring was not to be included and is documented as a limitation I can't see any problem.

However on connecting the new consumer unit you have to test all circuits before connecting to the new CU and the Kitchen ring in 1mm flex can not be reconnected!

I don't beleive anyone is saying you should check every socket light fitting Why would you check anything in the Kitchen if its a Limitation.

IMO it was your first post about leaving the 1mm flex and docmenting the EIR as a departure which has caused the concern!

Exactly !!!!

 

[Guest55]

If you carried out a PIR and on the EICR you have agreed that the kitchen final ring was not to be included and is documented as a limitation I can't see any problem.

Back in the real world , any customer who asks you to completely ignore checking the kitchen wiring that has no certs during a PIR is clearly hiding a bodge.
That sort of limitation cuts no ice whatsoever IMO.

 

[Guest55]

This thread is disending into farce , big time.

 

[electrician4u]

It could always be that this guy is a DIY'er, has wired his kitchen in what he had in the shed, and has since realised (or been told) that he's made a mistake.
He now wants solutions to the problem which won't involve him removing the tiles, and all he has been told on here is that it needs redoing!
Remember guys, we don't know anything about anyone who posts on here. It's only after a while that we begin to get a picture of who is actually qualified.

Have you EVER given a useful piece of advice to anyone? or do you get your jollies by trying to appear superior to everyone else? do us all a favour and get a life. I've been an electrician most my life and know what a ring should be wired in. I was simply wondering about any options in regards to the flex.noone has yet proved that it's against the regs but I know it'll have to go

 

[Geordie Spark]

This thread is disending into farce , big time.

It's not descending into farce .. it has already descended !!!! :mad2:

I remember when I first joined this forum not that long ago, being impressed with the very informative high-quality posts. I learned a lot & at the same time was entertained. Now we have the likes of this thread on an almost daily basis which is fine for the "shock horror" element and OMG moments, but I have to ask where have all the quality posters that we used to have gone ??

 

[Amp David]

When I did the PIR of course I agreed the extent to what I would check.The customer said the kitchen had just been done so no need to check.As the supply to the kitchen was fed from 2x 2.5 cables and joined behind the washing machine somewhere I had no immediate need for concern.If anyone here says they check every cable, socket, light fitting, CU, light switch etc. they must have very understanding customers to pay for all that time.I've done everything by the book. My customer wants to spend as little as possible (what's new?)...Her husband (I've just found out) wired the kitchen sockets and I've now told her the whole lot's gotta come out. Thanks to those with constructive suggestions.

If doing the PIR, then i would of had at least 2 sockets of the wall in the kitchen, I always do as a minimum.
Either way, surely if the ring is wired in 1mm flex, then your ring tests would of seemed a little high

 

[valleybilly]

Split the cable onto 2x 16a radials only , Max length 16 meters each but only ref method C is allowable

If your ELI is below 2.3 your good to go

 

[Guest55]

Have you EVER given a useful piece of advice to anyone?
Yes he has , numerous times

or do you get your jollies by trying to appear superior to everyone else?
Nope , the job of forum gob on a stick belongs to me.

do us all a favour and get a life. I've been an electrician most my life and know what a ring should be wired in.
Then why are you asking ?
I was simply wondering about any options in regards to the flex.
Your options all involve a lump hammer and chisel.
noone has yet proved that it's against the regs but I know it'll have to go
Yet instead you question the maths of others , like thats going to help.

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[Amp David]

Have you EVER given a useful piece of advice to anyone? or do you get your jollies by trying to appear superior to everyone else? do us all a favour and get a life. I've been an electrician most my life and know what a ring should be wired in. I was simply wondering about any options in regards to the flex.noone has yet proved that it's against the regs but I know it'll have to go

Come on boss, if you've been sparkying for most of your life, then how can you even think there is any option other than to rewire, or stick in a OCPD that will protect the flex.

All you have to do is look at the CCC of cables to see its against regs if being connected back up as a standard RFC.

If i were in this situation and the customer, as they are always doing, tells me its right, then i'd connect the ring to a 6 amp MCB, test it and leave a comment.

They'll be back on the blower the morning after once the toaster, ketlle etc have been on, complaining. What can they do, you've been paid and its all down on the cert, Happy Days.

 

[SPARTYKUS]

I think the best option is as youve stated, rip it out. Its never going to stay on long enough (the MCB, be it 6/10/16) to be of use, assuming its a normal kitchen with avkettle, toaster, tv, plug in cooker, microwave, diswasher, washer, tumble dryer and all the usual chargers and underlighters spurred off it!

 

[Geoffsd]

Waste of time, I know but...

I've been an electrician most my life

Then why do you need to ask such simple questions and then disagree with the replies.

.noone has yet proved that it's against the regs but I know it'll have to go

Yes they have.

Myself - 433.1.103

Ruston - Table 52-3

Carry on ignoring.

Think you need math evening classes if you disagree with my statement

Disagreeing with a wrong statement does not mean maths lessons are needed.

It is obvious that you do not know what to work out; let alone know how to do it.

 

[Geoffsd]

Split the cable onto 2x 16a radials only , Max length 16 meters each but only ref method C is allowable

The flex is only rated at 10A.