Spanish Wiring Regulations

[tony.towa]

I know this may sound a bit strange, but after hours of googling I am hoping someone can point me in the direction of where I can get a copy of Spanish wiring regulations (if there are such things) in English. Cheers

 

[mayfair]

So how will this builder get the boliten without clearly marked cabling. Regs are in place in my area and tend to be adhered to

what a load of B-----KS like i posted on another thread they do what they want, i was asked to wire some flats the builder had the cable already------ ALL GREEN/YELLOW!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Bob D Nero]

what a load of B-----KS like i posted on another thread they do what they want, i was asked to wire some flats the builder had the cable already------ ALL GREEN/YELLOW!!!!!!!!!!!

Not in Menorca they dont. Builders wont touch wiring, and the only and the only Sparks doing what they want are the ones due to retire.
The Industria here is s..t hot and can inspect work without notice. Anything requiring a supply greater than 5,7Kw has to have all paperwork done and registered with the industria to get a Puesta en servicio cert which then has to registerd with Endesa

 

[NoSparks]

Spain now follows the EU standard colours, so that was the fault of the builder. I hope you corrected him. It would be exceedingly dangerous to wire up a building with all g/y cable, and you should not be able to get an installation cert (boliten) for it.

 

[cantabrian9]

WELL!! the g/y builder has a mate who does the boletin, Gaspar the local (spark??) has a tiny multi-meter from the todo shop,doesn´t have lock-up , 3 phase into a villa (incomers in black!! no phase colours!! NO BLANKS!!!!!!!! polarity ERR!! WOTS THAT!!! and on one install he by- passed the trip cos he had a fault) i only found that after the people kept getting tingles off the taps!! (i noticed that the wiring in the cu was to neat for a dado (he hid the by-pass!!) any way good luck to the chap that wants to come to Almeria cos you will need it!! work is about NIL, renting a house no problem, nearly everyone has gone back!!! (and, PS, dont you lot in spain here get annoyed if i differ cos this is the A---HOLE of spain!!!!!!!!)

 

[Mr Mike]

I have worked in Son Vida Mallorca and the wiring has all colours.
Best I witnessed was the washing down of the walls outside the front door.....(with a hose pipe)
socket outlet and switches all got washed (drowned).

 

[cantabrian9]

whad ya mean ALL COLOURS, a bit of grey,a bit of brown,must be some black,did it trip the place? done a small job yesterday (on a pump,many houses in this area have depositos!) three cables,--------- the brown WAS earth!!! and two G/Ys L /N we might knock our trade in the uk,(with chancers ETC) BUT it has the best system in the world!!!!!!!!!

 

[mayfair]

Back a beyond or what! Had an inspection (industria) yesterday removed all my sockets and checked the UV tracer in the tox free cable also double checked my trip results half, X1, X5 then sat and waited 40 mins to see if the EL's kept on.

 

[cantabrian9]

J.C !! these lot around here would not understand these technical terms! honestly, when i go to a job that needs some extras i first use the old NEON srewdriver!! you never know if they are switching neutrals or feeds and when you come to a double skt,--------- it can be anybodys guess where the feed is in the next box!! (these are NOT DIY installations) these are the (SPARKS?????)that hand the boletin in!!

 

[mayfair]

Dont think i'd be using the old neon screwdriver except as a bradawl Nasty things! not to mention dangerous

J.C !! these lot around here would not understand these technical terms! honestly, when i go to a job that needs some extras i first use the old NEON srewdriver!! you never know if they are switching neutrals or feeds and when you come to a double skt,--------- it can be anybodys guess where the feed is in the next box!! (these are NOT DIY installations) these are the (SPARKS?????)that hand the boletin in!!

 

[cantabrian9]

no!! they are the dogs boll--ks!! get the probe and EVERTHING lights up, must admit never thought i would ever use the old neon tester again,but around this way many installations (if that is what you can call them) have bad earth connections, nothing goes straight to the board (in this area) lots of boxes with connectors (is it the same where you are?)

 

[Bob D Nero]

Not saying the Spaniarrds are the best in the world or even the best in Spain for that matter, however the worst offenders in menorca and where I get most of my work at the moment is rectifying what "British Sparks" have done. There seems to be a complete lack of understanding of the TT system, the locals may bond to earth with bell wire but they do bond, (well most of the time). Ive done houses that have been completey wired in T+E, UK 3 pins, single pole breakers the works. They then look at you like an idiot when you say its all got to come out.
When I get a few minutes i'll post an album of a 30+year old installation updated by a Brit.
I jest not you will be shocked, (I was, a few ttimes

 

[NoSparks]

I'm aware that in spain it is nearly all single core through flexi conduit, and that some modern installations have double pole MCBs but this of course is nothing to do with TT systems, so please enlighten me, what is wrong with T+E, and single pole breakers?

 

[malcolmsanford]

I'm pretty sure that the Spanish regulations do not like 1 a bare CPC 2 a smaller CPC.

They may insist that double pole protection devices need to be used as mainly all their systems are TT. The same as I would always use a double pole RCD or RCBO on a TT in the UK. It is far safer to use these when you have an unreliable or high Ra, as a N-E fault may no be picked up quick enough to disconnect a single pole device.

 

[NoSparks]

Are you saying that you would not use an RCD in a spanish board? As you know the usual configuration in the UK is a double pole RCD as the main switch, followed by single breakers. (This is also the configuration in our place in spain - but then we also have a g/y switch live! so one cannot gain too much insight into the Spainish Regs from what is already installed.)

Interesting though about the cpc, although I admit, had I rewired I would have used 3x1.5 singles so would not have fallen into that trap. mainly because pulling T&E into that flexi-conduit would be a night-mair. They would have been Br-Bl-g/y though!

{come to think of it I have never seen T&E for sale in spain}

 

[WilcoxElec]

As a French electricien I would not be able to work on a Spanish installation any more than I would on a British installation - (and I can read and understand the Building regulations in English) . I should think it unlikely that a reputable Spanish electrician would touch a UK installation......unless he was qualified to do so.... Other than the problems with the differences in the qualification requirements - criminal liability - insurance - &c &c - the materials used are likely to be very different reflecting the different building methods - reflecting the different geography and economy.... However, a Spanish electrician would probably be able to get hold of the proper high quality materials he required for the situation at a trade discount - and not rely, say, on a load from Bricodepot/B&Q. I have seen some pretty awful wiring in the UK (almost as bad as I have seen in France -- ) However I know that does not mean that the regulations are poor! I would not dream of replacing am old UK fuse board with Legrand of Hager bipolar breakers .. I would ask a British sparky to do what he does while I made the tea !

It may not be so cheap to do things properly in Spain (as in France) than it is to do things otherwise.