Spur from Ring Final Circuit

[Gigsy]

I can't help you anymore and nor should anyone else here. It would be professionally wrong of me to assist an incompetent person to do electrical work, especially when they have stated that they will pick and choose from the standard that our profession works to as it suits them.

What do you mean help me anymore, you have not helped me at all. You are replying to a question in a DIY thread. What is the point in coming into a DIY thread and just saying I can't help you? Why even bother reading it if your attitude is to not help. My question was does my design comply to the regs. You asked am I having it tested and certified, paraphrasing, I said my work does not legally need to be tested or certified. That is just the law, people are allowed to do their own wiring in accordance with UK law, they only need to notify building control if they install a new circuit or install a consumer unit. Then they need to have their work tested and certified. I don't make up the rules, the government sets the law. You advised me that the wiring regulations advises I have any work tested, I said thank you for the heads up I will take it in to consideration. Can you tell me on what page BS7671 states minor works should be tested, I have not read that.

 

[Gigsy]

I can't help you anymore and nor should anyone else here. It would be professionally wrong of me to assist an incompetent person to do electrical work, especially when they have stated that they will pick and choose from the standard that our profession works to as it suits them.

Are you saying if you do minor works on an installation, you then test and certify all your work? If so you are stealing money from your customers, because minor works only require a minor works certificate, minor works do not need to have an inspection and testing cert, therefore saying that the regs require all work to be tested is rubbish. You are simply making it up or you do not know the regs. To prove you know the regs, what page in BS7671 does it say that minor works need testing and certifying?

 

[Andy78]

Are you saying if you do minor works on an installation, you then test and certify all your work? If so you are stealing money from your customers, because minor works only require a minor works certificate, minor works do not need to have an inspection and testing cert, therefore saying that the regs require all work to be tested is rubbish. You are simply making it up or you do not know the regs. To prove you know the regs, what page in BS7671 does it say that minor works need testing and certifying?

You seem confused. A minor works certificate and an installation certificate are both certificates. They are both required by BS7671 as described in sections 610.1 to 610.6

Please do not insinuate I am grabbing money from my customers without reason. If you understand the above sections then you will see I am only conforming to the regulations.

 

[Gigsy]

You seem confused. A minor works certificate and an installation certificate are both certificates. They are both required by BS7671 as described in sections 610.1 to 610.6

Please do not insinuate I am grabbing money from my customers without reason. If you understand the above sections then you will see I am only conforming to the regulations.

Are you saying you issue an inspection and testing cert for minor works?

You have not told me what page it states minor works requires an inspection and testing cert

 

[Andy78]

Are you saying you issue an inspection and testing cert for minor works?

You have not told me what page it states minor works requires an inspection and testing cert

I issue appropriate certificates for the scope of the work completed. sometimes an installation certificate, sometimes a minor works certificate.
Section 610.4, and 610.6 pertain to the requirement for testing and inspection and certification of "minor works" as you call it.

 

[Gigsy]

I issue appropriate certificates for the scope of the work completed. sometimes an installation certificate, sometimes a minor works certificate.
Section 610.4, and 610.6 pertain to the requirement for testing and inspection and certification of "minor works" as you call it.

So when you issue a minor works cert, you do not test the work you carried out? Therefore your previous statement that BS7671 requires all work to be tested it incorrect

 

[Andy78]

Of course I test the work I certificate.

Have you read and digested section 610 yet ?

 

[Darkwood]

Just had a little chat and noted Gigsy is a Trainee so we are looking at gaining access to the Trainee forum once he gives us the details, can you take this into account with any further responses, he is doing this work in his own house as well so lets give him a little room here to learn his trade

 

[Andy78]

Just had a little chat and noted Gigsy is a Trainee so we are looking at gaining access to the Trainee forum once he gives us the details, can you take this into account with any further responses, he is doing this work in his own house as well so lets give him a little room here to learn his trade

No problem. I will endeavour and persist with my explanations of BS7671 if Gigsy is interested.

 

[Gigsy]

Oh ok i stand corrected, just looked at the Minor Electrical Installation Works Certificate, You do need to do earth continuity test, insulation resistance test, earth fault loop impedance test and polarity test. I am sorry for all previous comments. I will have the work tested by a skilled person upon completion.

 

[Gigsy]

No problem. I will endeavour and persist with my explanations of BS7671 if Gigsy is interested.

Thank you, I am interested

 

[Gigsy]

So when you change a light you have to do an insulation resistance test? So you would have to remove all the light bulbs on the whole circuit and do the test, just cos u changed a light?

 

[Darkwood]

My bedtime, please be nice to each other and if you have time Gigsy please fill your profile in for other members who may not venture into this thread

 

[Gigsy]

My bedtime, please be nice to each other and if you have time Gigsy please fill your profile in for other members who may not venture into this thread

Ok I will, thank you

 

[Andy78]

Oh ok i stand corrected, just looked at the Minor Electrical Installation Works Certificate, You do need to do earth continuity test, insulation resistance test, earth fault loop impedance test and polarity test. I am sorry for all previous comments. I will have the work tested by a skilled person upon completion.

Also RCD tests where relevant.
I would suggest that if you will be bringing in a skilled person to test your work that you arrange this prior to carrying out any more work. Whoever is signing the certificate may wish to stipulate design and installation methods, such as connections to ring circuits, and wish to see the installed cables at first fix stage.

Thank you for taking time to read the section on testing and certification. Although BS7671 is not a statutory document, it can be referred to in a court of law, by insurers, and by solicitors during house sales etc. It is good sense to get all work properly tested and certificated as evidence of safety.