strict sites

[Dean Williams]

has anyone worked on really strict sites

im currently testing on the largest site ive ever worked on in Runcorn, where 'whistleblowers' are rewarded with offers of flat screen tellies, meal vouchers etc. There's been 2 strikes so far...

 

[shanky887614]

"Hello All",

After reading through this tread I thought I should resurrect one of my Posts about a `BAD Day` on Site !

Here is what I wrote:


QUOTE:

• Hello All,
  
  I have just been reading in the `Installer ` Magazine [Gas / Heating / Plumbing & some Electrical etc.] about a Day at Work in 2008 on a Construction Project where an Argon Gas Cylinder which was `stored` with 79 others fell over and the Valve snapped off the top of the Cylinder - the Cylinders were NOT fitted with Valve Safety Caps.
  
  The Argon Gas - under 300 BAR Pressure [approx. 4410 PSI] propelled the Cylinder into the others which were just standing together [not in storage racks] - this set of a `Chain reaction` where 66 of the Cylinders `Flew` around and `THROUGH` the Building at speeds of up to 170 Miles per Hour.
  
  
  These 66 `Torpedoes` were obviously Heavy [2 Metres tall and weighed 142 Kilos !] - and Fast enough [170 mph] to smash through walls and up through Ceilings - this is on a Large Site with loads of Trades / Men working there.
  
  
  This `Havoc` was stated to have lasted several Minutes - can You imagine trying to Escape from this area within a large Building with these 2 Metre long x 142 Kilo x 170 mph `torpedoes` smashing through walls and up through ceilings around You - !
  
  This looks to have been even worse for those in the immediate area of the `devastation` because the Walls seem to be just partition construction [from article photo] which obviously would offer NO Protection from these `Flying Gas Cylinders` !
  
  
  Some of the Cylinders were stated to have ended up `in remote parts of the Building` !
  
  
  
  Unfortunately a Plumber was killed by one of these `missiles` and others including some Electricians were seriously injured.
  
  
  The reason that this is in the Magazine now is that the Court case has recently been adjudicated and `Fines and Costs` levied on the 3 Companies who were supposed to have ensured that the Gas Cylinder Safe storage and other Safety Regulations were adhered to.
  
  
  
  HERE IS A LINK TO THE FULL ARTICLE:
  
  Three firms sentenced after plumber dies | Installer Online
  
  
  I thought that this would interest some Members - it just shows what can happen at Work on a large Construction Project.
  
  Regards,
  
  Chris
  
  ​

END OF QUOTE


There is an Extreme example of what can happen when Health & Safety Regulations are NOT adhered to - in this case relating to the Storage of the Gas Cylinders - not in Cages or Racks / and not using Safety Caps on the Valves etc.


I thought that it might be of interest to Members who did not see it when I first posted the message.


Regards,

Chris

they did some tests on mythbusters and they can easily go through a block wall.

have a look on YouTube, can be very dangerous

 

[Knobhead]

Is that an excuse or a reason?

 

[PEG]

I am familiar with stored gases,and having valve caps fitted,would not make a ha'penneth of difference,if the valve head shears off.....i witnessed a cylinder of compressed air,at 300 bar,have its' valve sheared off,and although the small shed it was in,remained intact,afterwards,there was not a single trace of dust or cobwebs inside :conehead:

 

[shanky887614]

I am familiar with stored gases,and having valve caps fitted,would not make a ha'penneth of difference,if the valve head shears off.....i witnessed a cylinder of compressed air,at 300 bar,have its' valve sheared off,and although the small shed it was in,remained intact,afterwards,there was not a single trace of dust or cobwebs inside :conehead:

thats what they did on mythbusters.

shot through a block wall

 

[Besoeker]

There is an Extreme example of what can happen when Health & Safety Regulations are NOT adhered to

So exactly what HSE regulation was ignored?Please be be specific, direct, and succinct.

 

[Engineer54]

So exactly what HSE regulation was ignored?Please be be specific, direct, and succinct.

I doubt very much if even a HSE officer would be able to be so specific without looking it all up in their very thick bible!! lol!! But would obviously revolve around the sites gas storage facilities for full and empty gas bottles and the lack of suitable restrained gas bottle racking system(s) being in place. That and i guess the procedure of use, within any gas bottle storage areas.....

 

[Guest111]

In the past I've worked on some really hazardous sites,including one which had a chemical liquid which was colourless and odourless but skin contact caused death within a couple of hours.I remember one site and I was working in a room on my own and the H&S bod objected to my radio,I walked around the site and found the following,1)oxy acetylene welding cylinders lying on their side while being used,2)joiners machining mdf in a room full of other contractors with no dust extraction,3) a large hole unguarded.Funny how these things were acceptible to the H&S bod but my radio wasn't.Another time I was on a course for using cherry pickers,the one we were training on had oil leaks and 2 damaged tyres,when I pointed this out to the instructor his reply was "for the purposes of this excercise we'll pretend it's all ok".I refused to go up in the offending machine,but guess what I still got my ticket.

 

[Knobhead]

wearing ppe that's required to safeguard against hazards is common sense. blindly following some muppet's rules is not. e.g. wearing a hard hat when working in an office with nothing hazardous above:

The OP was complaining about a specific site. A place I very much doubt he has any idea of the dangers that face him.

 

[Besoeker]

I doubt very much if even a HSE officer would be able to be so specific without looking it all up in their very thick bible!! lol!! But would obviously revolve around the sites gas storage facilities for full and empty gas bottles and the lack of suitable restrained gas bottle racking system(s) being in place. That and i guess the procedure of use, within any gas bottle storage areas.....

The regulations are far less cast in stone than many people think.

 

[shanky887614]

In the past I've worked on some really hazardous sites,including one which had a chemical liquid which was colourless and odourless but skin contact caused death within a couple of hours.I remember one site and I was working in a room on my own and the H&S bod objected to my radio,I walked around the site and found the following,1)oxy acetylene welding cylinders lying on their side while being used,2)joiners machining mdf in a room full of other contractors with no dust extraction,3) a large hole unguarded.Funny how these things were acceptible to the H&S bod but my radio wasn't.Another time I was on a course for using cherry pickers,the one we were training on had oil leaks and 2 damaged tyres,when I pointed this out to the instructor his reply was "for the purposes of this excercise we'll pretend it's all ok".I refused to go up in the offending machine,but guess what I still got my ticket.

true but at the same time they probably object to radios because some people have them too loud and cant see warnings

or he just doesnt like your taste in music, ive been on a couple sites where everyone sets there radios up all over on the same station.


no matter where you go on thoes sites you never miss a beat

 

[trev]

true but at the same time they probably object to radios because some people have them too loud and cant see warnings

or he just doesnt like your taste in music, ive been on a couple sites where everyone sets there radios up all over on the same station.


no matter where you go on thoes sites you never miss a beat

They're usually the most annoying stations imaginable too, you know the ones where the "music" sounds like a bin full of scrap metal being thrown down multiple flights of stairs.
There's a general rule I've discovered over the years. The ones with the noisiest tools listen to the most irritating stations.

 

[shanky887614]

They're usually the most annoying stations imaginable too, you know the ones where the "music" sounds like a bin full of scrap metal being thrown down multiple flights of stairs.
There's a general rule I've discovered over the years. The ones with the noisiest tools listen to the most irritating stations.

planet rock was the usual.

i prefer ear phones so i can listen to wtf i like.

thats the beauty of doing bms, head in a panel all day listening to music/radio and no one bothering you

 

[trev]

Planet rock is the station of choice for me but you'd be surprised at the amount who object to it. I too prefer the ear phones but they're usually banned on the bigger sites.
Being SE has it's advantages as well as it's disadvantages. For example, if you're working in someone's premises then their ears and everyone else's need to be considered, a lot of the time this means even Planet Rock is out of the question

 

[shanky887614]

Planet rock is the station of choice for me but you'd be surprised at the amount who object to it. I too prefer the ear phones but they're usually banned on the bigger sites.
Being SE has it's advantages as well as it's disadvantages. For example, if you're working in someone's premises then their ears and everyone else's need to be considered, a lot of the time this means even Planet Rock is out of the question

thats why i like the sites we work on.

if a worker complains everyone cranks the volume up on planet rock and some start singing along to really wind them up

 

[Dcf]

I seem to get the jobs where the painters have a different station on in every room.
it really gets on my ---- at times.
usually talk radio played at messenger hifi sound system levels.....
funny how the power can go down in that area