Tax

[Plonker 3]

If you are paying him you should be deducting CIS payments, also he should be giving you a invoice for monies owed too him.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Well Folks,

Im a self-employed electrician,working for a sub-contractor at the moment.

Need some advice on how to ensure that he is paying my tax and keeping the books straight, Surely I am entitled to ask him for a type of slip to keep record of my employmeny and tax payed..

Any ideas would be appreciated..

Yes you should be getting aome paperwork, stating how much you have been paid, and how much tax has ben deducted.
It's not a big deal if you don't get the paperwork, as it's not your responsibility to ensure your employer pays the tax.
Keep a record of how much you have been paid, shouldn't be a problem if you're paid direct into your bank.
You can then easily work out how much tax should have been paid, divide what you have been paid by 4.
When you fill out your Self Assesment, you just put this figure added to any other tax paid through other contractors and Bob's your uncle.
As long as you keep copies of your Bank statements and any invoices, you'll be fine if HMRC ever investigate.

 

[Plonker 3]

Yes you should be getting aome paperwork, stating how much you have been paid, and how much tax has ben deducted.
It's not a big deal if you don't get the paperwork, as it's not your responsibility to ensure your employer pays the tax.

Even if you are PAYE, you are responsible for ensuring you pay the correct amount of tax. Occasionally it will be short and they will just take it off nexts years code.

As others have said you should be getting a wage slip which states all deductions like tax and NI. If you have this then keep it as prrof that you have paid it until you get either your year end P60 or P45

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Even if you are PAYE, you are responsible for ensuring you pay the correct amount of tax. Occasionally it will be short and they will just take it off nexts years code.

As others have said you should be getting a wage slip which states all deductions like tax and NI. If you have this then keep it as prrof that you have paid it until you get either your year end P60 or P45

Whilst I will agree in principle, that everyone irrespective of whether they are PAYE or self employed are responsible for paying the correct amount of tax.
If a person's employer or contractor makes the deduction, and then doesen't pay it, it is not your responsibility.

 

[Plonker 3]

Yes, as long as you have proof that they did deduct it the way of a wage slip.

 

[oldtimer]

Whilst I will agree in principle, that everyone irrespective of whether they are PAYE or self employed are responsible for paying the correct amount of tax.
If a person's employer or contractor makes the deduction, and then doesen't pay it, it is not your responsibility.

Thats fine if you can prove it but the OP was concerned enough to ask the question and as been said if you dont have the documentation then the IR want the money from you

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Yes, as long as you have proof that they did deduct it the way of a wage slip.

No you don't.
All you need, is proof that you have been paid.
If there is ever an investigation, and it is found that the contractor has not paid any deductions to HMRC, the contractor would have to prove that deductions were not made.
Under the CIS scheme, you as a subbie don't even have to be registered.
The contractor asks you for your UTR number, they then phone the CIS hepline and verify you.
If you don't have a UTR number, you will be deducted at 30%, if you do have a UTR number, you will be deducted at 20%, or if you are exempt, no deductions will be made.
If the contractor doesn't follow these procedures, they are in the brown sticky stuff, not you.
If you were that way inclined, and you had been paid gross by mistake, you could say that the gross payments were net, the contractor would then have to prove that they weren't.

 

[oldtimer]

Hold on before this debate goes further what is the comment of the OP or are we all going to end up talking to ourselves again.

So OP give us your thoughts or I will unsubscribe

 

[Plonker 3]

No you don't.
All you need, is proof that you have been paid.
If there is ever an investigation, and it is found that the contractor has not paid any deductions to HMRC, the contractor would have to prove that deductions were not made.
Under the CIS scheme, you as a subbie don't even have to be registered.
The contractor asks you for your UTR number, they then phone the CIS hepline and verify you.
If you don't have a UTR number, you will be deducted at 30%, if you do have a UTR number, you will be deducted at 20%, or if you are exempt, no deductions will be made.
If the contractor doesn't follow these procedures, they are in the brown sticky stuff, not you.
If you were that way inclined, and you had been paid gross by mistake, you could say that the gross payments were net, the contractor would then have to prove that they weren't.

I was talking about being "on the books" not as a subbie. I was always led to believe you should recieve a statement from anyone who deducts CIS payments.