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Re: PV*SOL Expert 5.5 Launch. Sneak preview and exclusive Electricians Forum discount

I agree with LSP. The shading analysis on PV Sol Expert is superb. I can sit with my customers and show them exactly why I've designed the system the way that I have. I can model all chimneys, neighbouring properties etc. and work out exactly the best position for the panels. It's not always as obvious as you think when you go for the initial survey.
 
Re: PV*SOL Expert 5.5 Launch. Sneak preview and exclusive Electricians Forum discount

Good morning all – it’s excellent to see so much interest in our new baby!

Dealing with your questions in the order posted:

SolarCity & ISPelectrical – At the time of writing (prices are linked to the Euro so may fluctuate slightly), the cost to update from PV*SOL Expert 5.0 Gridcon to PV*SOL Expert 5.5 Gridcon is £206.24 + VAT. The offer price to EF members is £185.62 + VAT. Unless of course you have purchased The Software Maintenance Agreement (Software Maintenance Agreements (SMA), in which case it’s free.

Moggy1968 – PV*SOL is sophisticated engineering software which performs complex analyses on the shading environment. Of course, we understand that this approach to PV system design is not everyone’s cup of tea. However, the vast majority of our customers find the results are incredibly useful for deciding configurations and layouts. The new PV*SOL Expert 5.5 is now easier to use than before. Why not send me your queries by email ([email protected]) and I’ll be happy to assist with any difficulties you may be experiencing.

ISPelectrical – PV*SOL is sold worldwide and can easily be adapted to any country’s regional regulatory requirements. As you correctly state, we do offer support for adaption in the form of pdf’s and other documents for which we do not charge. We also offer free email support so please feel free to send us any queries or even complete projects with which you may be having problems. There is also a manual and searchable help menu within the software plus 2 training videos within the Photoplan section of the program. Our website contains a Frequently Asked Questions page which deals with most of the common queries. If you need an answer to a question that isn’t covered by the above and it really can’t wait then there is our technical support phone line which is on a premium rate number. This line is manned daily from 9am to 5pm (except from 12-1). This service implies costs to us because we have to employ someone on a full time basis to provide the cover. We suggest you explore the free options first. In the near future we shall also be offering free webinars. Also we offer training sessions at various locations around the country which will get you up to speed with the software in a couple of days. Please get in touch if you require available dates and pricing information for these sessions (or refer to our website: T*SOL and PV*SOL Training).

Infinity & SolarCity – Please refer to my first answer above or get in touch if you require clarification on pricing. I think you’ll find it’s a lot cheaper than you think.

Moggy1968 – You will be pleased to hear that a measuring tool is now included in PV*SOL Expert and any object can be positioned relative to any other object using this tool. You can also choose from which corner or edge you are measuring to and from. Why not download the free demo and see for yourself? PV*SOL Expert

Moggy1968& ISPelectrical – I can send you a word document which explains the terms used on the first page of the report. You can also press the F1 key on your keyboard and search for ‘definitions’. The terminology used is standard for the PV industry. Send me you email addresses to: [email protected] and I’ll send you the document.

ISPelectrical – With regard to your project involving 2 roofs. Go to System>Technical Data. On the System page enter ‘2’ into the number of arrays box and slect ‘single system inverter’ (or multiple if you prefer). Now click on ‘Array 1’ at the bottom of the screen and define slope, inclination, module type. Then either use the roof layout option to draw this section of the roof to calculate the possible module quantity or just type the value in if you already have decided. Repeat for array 2 then go to the inverter page and select. Lastly perform a system check to ensure all is good and you’re done.

Grandfortune – Please refer to my first comment above At the time of writing (prices are linked to the Euro so may fluctuate slightly), the cost to update from PV*SOL Expert 5.0 Gridcon to PV*SOL Expert 5.5 Gridcon is £206.24 + VAT. The offer price to EF members is £185.62 + VAT. Unless of course you have purchased The Software Maintenance Agreement (Software Maintenance Agreements (SMA)), in which case it’s free. Of course you don’t have to buy the upgrade – it’s entirely optional. Try the free demo from our download page and see if you like it: PV*SOL: computer simulation software for designing and calculating photovoltaic systems. If you’re not convinced then stick with what you’ve got. Expert 5.0 remains a very slick and powerful package. Training is not obligatory either – it just helps people get up to speed as quickly as possible. Our customers generally report that the time saved is worth the expense but of course we offer many free avenues of support if you learn better under your steam.

ISPelectrical – Thanks for your price correction. Hopefully you’ve also seen my comments as to the level of free support on offer. We’re here to help you get the most out of PV*SOL.

Moggy1968 – Graph paper is one way to design and optimise a pv system. However for an hourly analysis of a 365 day simulation based on local climatic and shading data with system checks on electrical outputs and module/inverter compatibility for various configurations (not to mention consideration of cable sizes, altitude, orientation and slope to the nearest degree) plus the option to produce a photorealistic image and/or a 3D shading yield reduction analysis all wrapped up with a financial evaluation including payback time, internal rate of return & break even point and presented with screenshots on a professionally constructed report…you might find you’ll need a fair few bits of graph paper. ;)

ISPelectrical – The shading analysis has got much easier in the new PV*SOL Expert 5.5. Get in touch and I’ll be glad to give you some pointers.

Moggy1968/ISPelectrical – You can just present a SAP calculation but as ISPelectrical rightly points out, there are many generic assumptions made in the SAP methodology and it can at best only be used as a rough estimate. And yes, customers are more picky these days (and rightly so). In fact some large investors demand the use of software such as PV*SOL because it generates, among other things, a Specific Annual Yield calculation – often used as a benchmark figure for assessing a project’s financial viability. At the end of the day, as with most things in life, it’s a case of ‘you pay your money, you take your choice.’ You can either tender for jobs with a rough estimate on the back of an envelope or present a professionally constructed report with all the features and details described above. Put yourself in the shoes of your client. Which would you prefer?

SolarCity – Got it in one. Shading is a complex and important issue for PV system design. PV*SOL not only gives you a module by module analysis of the effects of shading throughout the year, but also lets you run a video from and to any point in the year which animates the Sun’s course and resultant shadows throughout each day. As you rightly point out, the result can often surprise.
 
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Time for another sneak preview:

 

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ISPelectrical – With regard to your project involving 2 roofs. Go to System>Technical Data.

I've been using the design section of PV-Sol Pro for some time, so am able to set up multiple arrays in that program. It's the conjoined roofs in the PV-Sol Expert 3D simulation I'm referring to, which I believe is done before the adoption of data for PV-Sol, unless I've misunderstood the whole workflow. I have sent you an email (well a couple really), with my queries, which should explain what I'm on about.

Very glad to know email support is free. I was not aware of that. I have watched all videos and read all manuals and FAQs, and am booked in for a webinair on 8th March, and am still none the wiser. We were (two of us) going to book up for the next available training, but it really was too expensive for us. If it had been around the £180 mark, we would have definitely signed up for it.
 
£185 is a bit more like it ;-)

For anyone that is wondering if the upgrade to expert is worth it, I would repeat that you really don't know how much shading affects arrays unless you can model it in 3D over a 12 month simulation. Being able to move panels around the roof space and have the shading percentage shown is absolutely invaluable.

It is quick to use once you get used to it but I do agree that it takes some effort to get to grips with it.
 
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having givenPVSOL a fairly comprehensive bashing on here, here's why I do use it, albeit in a very limited way

I was finding I wasn't converting quotes into jobs and decided one reason for that was presentation.

I thought PVsol would be a way of making my presentations more professional. I now convert most quotes into jobs, but as my purchase came just before the october announcement it's difficult to know if it's down to the quality of my presentations or consumer panic. I have given up doing my reports through PV sol. I now just use the 3d modeling to make nice piccies to put into my quotes.

PVsol gives me the opportunity to try a variety of panel types on a particular roof to gain maximum useage of the area available.

The shading tool is useful and has revealed issues where I hadn't realised their would be one. This was complicated by not having a measuring tool which now appears to have been addressed.

Thanks for the offer to look at the specific problems I am having. The specific problem is, err, using PV sol! The lack of useability and functionality means it's very time consuming and mostly done by trial and error. Every time brings up new problems so it's impossible to list them all here! I think the program should be functional straight out of the box. Then if you want to do a course to learn the bells and whistles you can do that if you want. The degree of difficulty to get even the most basic functions out of it is really not acceptable.

Overall, as I say above, I can't judge it's usefulness in winning business accurately but I would say it has paid for itself.
 
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LSP Electrical: I see you are a keen student! Hopefully our email dialogue is making things clearer. I’ll get onto your latest questions once finished here. As I’ve mentioned previously, training is not obligatory and many customers such as yourself have taken advantage of all the free help and assistance we offer (full details in my previous post).

SolarCity: You’re right – it takes practice to become adept at using any tool or software package. We believe the time put in to PV*SOL is more than recouped by the improvement in your analysis of the situation, the speed in drafting quotations based on relevant simulations and the professionalism of your presentation. In short PV*SOL gives you the competitive advantage needed to get the jobs in.

Moggy1968: It’s good to see you’re getting some useful results from the software – but there’s so much more you could be doing with it. Try starting a new project in Quick Design (without 3D) first to see how simple the basic parameters are to run a reliable and accurate simulation. After that you can enter the main program to add shading and run system checks etc. We always teach trainees to get fully acquainted with the 2D side first so they really understand what’s going on. There are a lot of powerful tools here to help with analysis, not to mention the economic efficiency calculator for the all-important payback calculation!. Let me know if you need our guide to using the PV*SOL Economic Efficiency Calculator and I’ll be happy to email it over (email to: [email protected]). Maybe you’d like to check out our sample training course structure on our website (PV*SOL Training) – this should give you some tips as to what you may be missing. If there’s anything unfamiliar in there then drop me an email and I’ll be glad to explain.
 
it would be great to see a basic design done on you tube, it would really help, putting the roof measurements in literately took me hours to find and hours to input
 
I've been thinking about investing in a PV software package and have spoken to you at various trade shows last year however as yet haven't invested in a dedicated solar pv package.

I use Google sketchup it simulates shading 365/24/7 in both 2d and 3D. I use the inverter design packages to ensure correct sizings etc and use excel for my ROi giving customers 3 different scenarios based on irradiance including SAP. How will I benefit from using PV sol other than information overload. I do have a MSC in computing so I'm a tough cookie when it comes to software.

Also on google I import the 3d model on to google earth so the local geographics are included in my model.

Would I/ how could I benefit from PV sol over Google ?

Many thanks
 
Moggy1968 - Good luck with getting your installations done on time. I look forward to hearing from you after you’ve recovered! Glad you liked ‘The Henge’ on our YouTube video. Feel free to send us your further suggestions for either Photoplan or 3D modelling, or send us your own work and we’ll be happy to credit you. Apart from a bit of fun – it’s also an attempt to rhetorically ask people to think how we are all going to meet CO2 emissions targets.

SolarCity – We’re working on all sorts of new forms of tuition some even free such as Webinars! For a fee with have a new ‘Advanced PV Survey, Design & Simulation Training’ course plus another course based on the new program - GeoT*SOL which simulates heat pump performance. In addition we’re revising the current PV*SOL courses to take account of all the new features in PV*SOL Expert 5.5. It’s all go at the Solar Design Company! Webinars will be announced here soon. More details of the training can be found at: T*SOL and PV*SOL Training. We’d love to see you put up a video or two on YouTube. Please send us the link when you’re done. The more the merrier. If you or anybody else would like a link on your website with some of our higher resolution graphics, promo videos & information plus a ‘We use PV*SOL’ badge then please get in touch with us direct at: [email protected] and we'll send you more information on this.

Finchy –There’s no doubt that a software enthusiast can invest their time in a range of 3D CAD type programs and produce amazing landscape renders which can impress some PV clients. However this doesn’t provide an integrated solution for transferring individual module shading frequency into the optimum inverter configuration. Architectural-orientated shading visualisation is quite different to quantifying energy values from modules/strings on an hourly basis. Most of all, we don’t believe your method would provide viable comparisons between equipment brands as each manufacturer has different preferences on climate files and temperature factor defaults whilst a dedicated PV simulator would.

PV*SOL gives a single, specialised PV simulation package which allows quick, accurate comparisons focussing on the task of design and presenting PV systems. Not to forget it comes with our technical support through the design/presentation process where separate programs require separate support calls. Using separate programs to achieve the same as PV*SOL would make a simple process more complicated with scope for errors and mismatched data. We believe having a central database of modules and inverters automatically updated on a daily basis is a key resource which avoids duplication of data entry.

Graphical visualisation of complex technical issues is a way to give client confidence that you thoroughly understand the subject. Careful use of the graphical outputs of PV*SOL can for example show the client that module temperature/ventilation is important. A single software package can allow the options to be altered in front of the client. Photoplan, which is built into PV*Sol, allows a very smooth visualisation and spacing check which would be difficult to replicate in separate packages.

Finally we would say PV*Sol is a powerful brand which is widely used in the trade and already known to investors seeking due diligence. A free demo of PV*Sol can be downloaded here: PV*SOL Expert
 
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