testing other electricians work

[markythesparky]

Lenny, correct me if i am wrong but building regs are statutory are they not.

 

[Guest123]

They are indeed.

 

[Spudnik]

It IS illegal.

BS7671 is not a legal document, however Part P is, which clearly states that you cannot cert other peoples work.

 

[ajelec10]

Mark
I am nic eic regeested and have asked the question to them, they say that you can inspect, test and certiy some one else's work and issue a part p certificate etc, BUT as already said you would then take full responsiblity for the installation (if domestic). So answer to your question is NO it is not ilegal to certify anothers work.
Regards
AJ

 

[Spudnik]

So is it not now illegal because the NICEIC say so?

Was it in writing?

I dont think so.

Read Sec 1.28 of Approved Document P.

Its got nothing to do with the scheme providers.

 

[ajelec10]

Jason, you are correct as it says in the document.
Reagrds
AJ

 

[Guest123]

Another little thing to ponder on, Part P as we know only applies to domestic dwellings. What about work the falls outside the scope of Part P i.e, industrial commercial etc.

I was always taught that this is the case whatever the scenario and personally would never issue an EIC for another sparks work, never have, never will. But as I have already said what about work outside the scope of Part P....is it also illegal to carry out this type of certification on non domestic situations....I will put my neck on the line and say no, purely because it is not covered by the building regs and therefore has no legal standing.

Would it not then be at the discretion of the scheme provider??

Views then chaps???

PS tin hat is firmly secured.

 

[mdavismccoy]

Hi, No body seems to mention the 3 signature certificate, this is what you should use in the case where an electrician has designed and carried out the work, they may sign for the first 2, and the person inspecting and testing signs the 3 one. No need for a PIR on a new installation.

 

[Guest123]

Hi there.

Thats a fair point well made.

The issue we have here though is that hypothetically the sparks who designed and constructed the installation is no longer around to slap his monicker in boxes 1 and 2.
Would you then go ahead and sign all 3???? and would it be legal for you to do so??

Cheers.

 

[Spudnik]

Nope it isnt illegal to do that.

However, you cannot submit the work as your own.

 

[baldsparkies]

Remember a situation where an installation i ran had a spec provided by an electrical consulting company. On completion I signed the verification and testing, but not design. The certificates were sent back saying they were incomplete,but I stood my ground,refused to sign the design section and received an apology. Just proves that sometimes people will try to duck out if they can get away with it. It was an hospital ICU unit as well

 

[NoSparks]

When a consumer unit is changed, it is required to issue and EIC, or so I was instructed when taking my 2381 and 2391.

The arguments put forward above indicate the reason why an EIC cannot be issued for another sparks installation is that they would not know if the cabeling had been installed correctly. Quite right. But if this is the case for a new installation, why is it different if a CU has been changed?

 

[Spudnik]

.... why is it different if a CU has been changed?

Because the CU must be marked accordingly ie "CU change only", on the periodic test label that is fixed to it.

 

[markythesparky]

So to sum up.

Are we all agreed that as Approved Document Part P of the Building Regs states, it IS illegal to 'Part P' someone elses work?

Answers on a postcard please to

NICIEC
Con street
Rip offsville
Shadyshire
UK

 

[Spudnik]

So to sum up.

Are we all agreed that as Approved Document Part P of the Building Regs states, it IS illegal to 'Part P' someone elses work?

Yep.