Testing rule & regs

[craig1000]

Hi people i was wondering if any one could explain to me a couple of things as i am slightly confused since part p came in & now i have gone self employed this will affect me.
I am a time served qualified electrician & since leaving my company august 07 have been subbing myself to smaller firms but am now looking to go fully self employed and take on jobs of my own.
I do not yet have my inspection & testing certificate but will do soon hopefully.
If i get this am i then able to alter old and install new intallations and sign them off? Do i need to register to do this? Do i still need to get part p?
Idont mean to sound stupid but trying to research these things i end up with varios results so i thought this would be the best idea.
Any in depth answers to fully explain things for me would be great.
Also in the mean time am i able to do a new install at a new property and then get some one in to test? Is this acceptable?

Kind regards
C O'Brien

 

[Mr Mark Sparks]

welcome craig
one of the self employed guys will be along shortly to help you im 19 yrs employed so its not my field

 

[ezzzekiel]

ok here goes
part p requires you to join a competant persons scheme (Napit Niceic etc) they all have there own joining requirements but as you are qualified no need to worry on this part. Its gonna cost you about £400 a year but once a member you can do your own work and certify it the only other way is to inform your local council who will inspect your work at first and final fix and test for you but this will cost you labc fees and is not cost effective.

ring up a scheme provider they will visit you on a job to verify you are competant then thats it till a year later when your membership is up for renewal..

oh and you cant just sign off anyones work, just your own...

 

[albi]

To carry out any certifiable work in a domestic property you will need to part P registered and only the person or company that is registered can sign off there own work and not any one else’s. So in short you will need to register and until you are you would need to inform the local council of all jobs before they commence.
I now how much of a pain that is

 

[ezzzekiel]

im fairly sure thats what i said

 

[baldsparkies]

Hi craig,
First things first, has a qualified time served electrician, building control will tend to be favourable towards you provided you supply an accurately completed Instalation certificate but and it's a very big but you cannot self certify under the part p competant persons scheme,not off your own back.
You will need to go through your local building control inspector who will examine your standard of work along with its compliance with current IEE regs.
Its also an expensive way for a self employed sparks to go you would be far better joining one of the recognised organisations ie nappit eca niceic and the like.My partner and myself opted for the niceic, I believe the going rate at the moment is around £425, You will also need certain documentation which you can look up on the web (Saves me typing here) along with a public liability insurance covering two million for a domestic installer.
In the long run you will benefit but its a lot to layout at the start.
I think nappit are cheaper to join,the only reason we chose the nic is that they seem to be more recognised amongst the general public, no doubt that could change with time.
Another sparks under one of the above schemes would be very dubious about signing off someone elses work (No disrespect to you)
The 2391 is a good all round course on inspection and testing I found it very usefull myself go for the 17th edition course if you havent done so already its one the nic and nappit like you to have,anyway keep checking the forum they are a good bunch here and will give you lots of advice.

 

[Spudnik]

You did but, the 17th edition update must also be done during the first year if membership to a scheme too.

Edit: Baldy beat me to it

 

[albi]

Yes ezzzekiel
I know but I had started replying so I did not see your replaying till I hade sent mine is that ok with you. All answers are welcome aren’t they

 

[baldsparkies]

Hello, where are all these toys coming from, I better put them back in the pram

 

[sparks1234]

How much is the difference between the NIC domestic installer and the full NIC?

 

[albi]

about £50 but with the full you get more coverage i.e. pat testing any periodic ect ect
if you only go domestic you will need to pay more for eatch extra section

 

[baldsparkies]

I believe its about £350 sparks, along with an upgrade on your public liability to cover professional indemnity, Also need some commercial work for them to see.

 

[sparks1234]

Doesnt really make sense to do the domestic then as the full scheme covers you for this anyway, is it that much easier?
I do know the ECA does not cover you for part P installations which I find strange

 

[Spudnik]

I do know the ECA does not cover you for part P installations which I find strange

Thats because they have Elecsa for that.

 

[sparks1234]

Yes I know, I have been in Elecsa since Part P came out, when I decided to go in a full scheme I was informed that being in Elecsa you are fairly sure of getting in the ECA with no problem, obviously you need to pay the fee