Testing rule & regs

[craig1000]

Hi people i was wondering if any one could explain to me a couple of things as i am slightly confused since part p came in & now i have gone self employed this will affect me.
I am a time served qualified electrician & since leaving my company august 07 have been subbing myself to smaller firms but am now looking to go fully self employed and take on jobs of my own.
I do not yet have my inspection & testing certificate but will do soon hopefully.
If i get this am i then able to alter old and install new intallations and sign them off? Do i need to register to do this? Do i still need to get part p?
Idont mean to sound stupid but trying to research these things i end up with varios results so i thought this would be the best idea.
Any in depth answers to fully explain things for me would be great.
Also in the mean time am i able to do a new install at a new property and then get some one in to test? Is this acceptable?

Kind regards
C O'Brien

 

[rodney12]

Why do they have to confuse things so much? As im still slightly unsure about it all i would like some advice if i explain my exact situation, hope people dont mind soz if i seem dopey but i want to make sure o go for exactly what i rquire for my need.
I have been self employed for nearly 2 years now but just subbing myself to other firms on commercial jobs.
I would like to start pricing/looking for my own work both commercially and domestic but accept this will probally be mainly domestic work i will find.
What will i need to be able to sign off work that i do to alter an existing installation and install a new installation from scratch and give it its first inspect and test and then sign it off?
I am qualified to the 16th edition and dont habe my 2391.
With regard to them inspecting me/my work, as i cant sign it off yet how do i take on domestic work for them to inspect as i am currently still subbing commercially.
Any suggestion for how i should go about things to be able to take on and sign off fully my own work would be great.

Tahnks for all comments so far!

You will need 1 major job, (CU change, garage install, re-wire etc) and a minor job, (a spur etc) to inspect. For your big job, you could do a CU change etc in your house, this is allowed, then any other job really. Just keep your test results,check insurances, specific entey requirements etc with the scheme provider you choose and you'll be fine. You do NOT need 2391 if your competent in testing, but you WILL need to refresh to 17th within 12 months of joining basically.

Hope that makes sense

 

[baldsparkies]

You could do a board change in your own place if you dont want to involve other people the nic will accept that as your major job, then put a socket in a relatives garage or something like that on a minor works. If you phone building controll and let them know you are waiting for an assesment to join a competant persons scheme like the nic they will say wait until after your assesment and if succesful sign it off then, or if not you can apply to building control yourself but it will cost more because a building inspector will have to see your work.

Either way you have 30 days to comply from install date sooo time your install date close to your assesment

 

[craig1000]

ok i think tahts me sorted thanks for your help everyone,
iv been asked to do a bungelow for someone new build, am i able to do this and then get someone in to inspect test and sign off the work, obviousley someone qualified to do so, just want to be sure before i take on the job in case i cant get myself registered on and sorted out in time?

 

[baldsparkies]

No one is saying you can't get the work signed off yourself. Provided you issue a properly filled completion certificate and inform local building control direct before you start and on completion then as long as you can show due dilligance in workmanship compliance with current regs ect the job is done.
The only downside is cost around 100 quid.
If on the other hand you are registered under a competant persons scheme like nic nappit elecsia who ever, the costs for signing work off are peanuts and its an online job without all the hassle of contacting biulding control yourself, As far as another contractor accepting the responsibility for your work, well I will let others on the forum comment on that one.

Hope that helps

 

[craig1000]

Ok nice one mate that sorts me out now just wanted to make sure i could do the job if i take it on and dont manage to get paperwork in order in time for it, at least i know in worst case scenario i can go down the building control route even though its a git with the extra cost. With the building control route will i have to have my 17th or will i be ok installing on my 16th qualification as long as i do the job to the 17th standard of works?

 

[baldsparkies]

In the many years I have been in this trade and thats a lot of years, I have gathered a wealth of certificates and paperwork. Whilst it proves a willingness to keep up to speed its no substitute for experiance, and good workmanship.
A competant person in my book is not a person who knows what he is doing. Its a person who knows when he DOESN'T know what he's doing.
If you have experiance under your belt, an awareness off current regulations and good working practice then you won't go far wrong, in fact you probably have a better knowledge base than the inspector who comes out to inspect your work.
The NIC EIC when originally assesing my ability to be a qualified supervisor were shown my level of competance on paper from C&G 236-B and C Apprentiship indentures,17th edition, 2391 JIB Approved and JIB Electrical site manager cards. Although it helps in the assesment, Its YOU and your ability that they want to see in action. I know I am going on but sometimes you can put to much attention on paperwork honestly, I have come across some real bookworms in my time,but as electricians in the real world I wouldn't give them the time of day.
You will be ok have faith in yourself,just do a good job and don't worry about your 16th to 17th upgrade until you join an approved scheme member,go for it.

 

[Spudnik]

ok i think tahts me sorted thanks for your help everyone,
iv been asked to do a bungelow for someone new build, am i able to do this and then get someone in to inspect test and sign off the work, obviousley someone qualified to do so, just want to be sure before i take on the job in case i cant get myself registered on and sorted out in time?

Speak to the LABC.

You are able to do the work, and, basically, it is THEIR responsibility to check and ensure the work complies.

As there has already been a fee paid to them for the build, this also covers checking the electrical installation.

Have a read of
1.21 to 1.26 of Doc P:

http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/BR_PDF_ADP_2006.pdf

 

[craig1000]

another quick question on same subject, with regards to jobs not notifable to building control,do i have to provide customer with test results for the circuit after iv worked on it? or only if they request it? or not at all? and if i do have to provide them then what would be an acceptable form to fill it out on if im not yet registered with the nic or the like so wont be able to use there forms. am i able to draft up my own? maybe this is a silly question but until things are clear in my head about what im doing il always ask.

 

[Spudnik]

another quick question on same subject, with regards to jobs not notifable to building control,do i have to provide customer with test results for the circuit after iv worked on it? or only if they request it? or not at all? and if i do have to provide them then what would be an acceptable form to fill it out on if im not yet registered with the nic or the like so wont be able to use there forms. am i able to draft up my own? maybe this is a silly question but until things are clear in my head about what im doing il always ask.

Near enough EVERY job on an installation will require either a minor works certificate or an electrical installation certificate.

You can use any 'make' of cert, some of which are available as a free download from the IET website.

 

[sparks1234]

Pads of certs are only about 15 quid from the wholesalers

 

[trix]

If you download from the IET, don't forget to duplicate one for yourself.

CYA

 

[craig1000]

Near enough EVERY job on an installation will require either a minor works certificate or an electrical installation certificate.
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With regards to this do i need to be nic to fill these out and issue them if they are works not notifable to building control under part p?

 

[Spudnik]

With regards to this do i need to be nic to fill these out and issue them if they are works not notifable to building control under part p?

No you do not have to be registered with any scheme to fill out certificates for non-notifiable work.

 

[craig1000]

Brilliant cheers everyone for all your helpful knowledge in relation to my many questions, im sure il be back with more