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Whats everyones views on other trades rate? Must say it annoys me a little the fact we seem to be on the same par as plasterers, painters and tilers now. No disrespect but these trades are not as technically skilled as electricians so why is this not reflected in the rate? We have to pay and study for courses and liable if someones house burns down but other trades not subjected to this are paid the same or not more? Ive heard electricians were always the best paid years ago so whats changed? I cant see the justification, sorry rant over but would welcome peoples views
 
;) Working Around Other Trades !!!

Here’s a Good One !!
My Mates Cousin is in a Rented House , Electric Hob was Not Working , Telephoned the Landlord , Right said He , Get Someone Round as soon As ??
Well , Would you know it , A Plumber Done the Work , Not 17th Edition ?? , Sorry just Part P , His Reply was “ Like for Like “ how Long it took the Plumber , Half on Hour , Bill £70 Pounds , Sorry am in the Wrong Job ,

Big Mistake when they Gave Out Part P to Tom / Dick and Harry , Amber ,
Its being Exploited Big Time ,

Sorry to Hear you Lost Some Work Jason , Can’t Keep A Good Man Down , Ye :rolleyes:
 
Blame the Sparks who work too cheaply,now youve got to be able to sign off work as well,since this Domestic Installer rubbish,Part POO,its become another must have Qualification,rather than something you get paid extra for,what a cop out...............
 
As an industrial apprentice trained electrician I would say that my own personal experiences tell me what every sector you work in whether it be domestic, commercial or industrial you need to diversify. Although I was trained as an electrician my current role innvolves pneumatics, hydraulics, industrial controls, assisting with production and what ever is required. And why? Because companies do not want to pay for an Electrician and fitter or other skills that are required.
My point being the domestic and plumbing sectors have been attacked due to advocating competency via short courses and admission to self cert schemes. But maybe at the domestic end of the market they are potentially adding value to the customer. Lets face it if a tiler can be made competent to install sockets in a kitchen let the one man or team complete the job. But I hasten to add that if a domestic spark is any good and does a tidy job he should already have at least basic plastering and maybe tiling and concreting skills. He should with minimal training(maybe a short course) be able to attain a decent level of skill in these areas.
I generally do my own tiling but when I've had builders or tilers in and they do a good job and work hard I think they are worth at least the same as sparks due tio the effect they have on the job. However when on various electrical industrial jobs sparks should be getting over and above that of tilers and builders. This is because these sparks are beginning to utilise there technical knowledge more to complete their tasks.
Anyway, for what its worth grab as much money as you can!

Cheers
 
As an industrial apprentice trained electrician I would say that my own personal experiences tell me what every sector you work in whether it be domestic, commercial or industrial you need to diversify. Although I was trained as an electrician my current role innvolves pneumatics, hydraulics, industrial controls, assisting with production and what ever is required. And why? Because companies do not want to pay for an Electrician and fitter or other skills that are required.
My point being the domestic and plumbing sectors have been attacked due to advocating competency via short courses and admission to self cert schemes. But maybe at the domestic end of the market they are potentially adding value to the customer. Lets face it if a tiler can be made competent to install sockets in a kitchen let the one man or team complete the job. But I hasten to add that if a domestic spark is any good and does a tidy job he should already have at least basic plastering and maybe tiling and concreting skills. He should with minimal training(maybe a short course) be able to attain a decent level of skill in these areas.
I generally do my own tiling but when I've had builders or tilers in and they do a good job and work hard I think they are worth at least the same as sparks due tio the effect they have on the job. However when on various electrical industrial jobs sparks should be getting over and above that of tilers and builders. This is because these sparks are beginning to utilise there technical knowledge more to complete their tasks.
Anyway, for what its worth grab as much money as you can!

Cheers

I think that is a very good analogy of the current situation as all trades are jumping on the spark front with a green P on the rear of the vehicle then as a lot of sparks have said 'if a builder etc can do it i'm sure a spark can'.

I too can tile, hang doors, fit showers, baths, etc. If a spark can fit a new ceiling etc he can do a wall. so why would you expect your customer to pay for a builder and plasterer if you can save them the money and get extra work.
It all about utilizing your skills and making the most of what you are able to do. Not just what your willing to do. If you are capable and willing why not.

lol. train to be a spark then become a painter...I know... but it is hard times...so if I have no spark work and someone wants a new fence I would not say no.

saying that the other week my mate who is a kitchen fitter had a call to hang some pictures, he didn't want it and asked me if I would. I popped round to see the guy and he wanted all the fixtures fitted in a new house. It took me four hours and I earned £100. I charged a professional rate as someone with no electrical knowledge could well have drilled into wiring and that is probably why he wanted someone to do it for him.
 
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i cannot believe you ,sbrown2 !!! if the electricity was not available all the other trades would find life very difficult (unless they have a genny) it is US SPARKS THAT MAKE THE END PRODUCT LOOK GOOD !!!! NO POWER HOW CAN YOU LIGHT THAT KITCHEN ETC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
And I agree also. That is why in my current environment (thats not to say I do not work in the domestic or commercial environment at times) they prodominantly ask for electricians with mechanical bias/skills. We also know that to become a sparky, a proper sparky, you need more academic knowledge than your average tiler/builder. But it is on this site that I hear other sparkies knocking people who have come through the 2382-10/20, 2391-10/20 and register through NICEIC/NAPIT, 5 day to 1 year route. Are these sparkies. I am not sure!!:( Will these guys have the ability to fault find a ring circuit or wire a star/delta starter. Will these guys have the ability to understand the difference between shunt and no volt tripping. I suspect not. Therefore I agree with you but it is the value of the electrician in the said market. In the domestic market, and I used to be able to get a piece of this pie, it has been swamped out with all levels of electrical skills, whereas the tiler has not and so will maintain their standard of wages.

Regards
 
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The 2391 is a pretty tough route.

Apologies memory is getting slightly faded I do appreciate this, studied 2391/01. But could I ask the question are these courses supplementary or courses in there own right? And non the less it is a short 4-5 day course. 2382-10 just taken the exam but you can take a 5 day course. Bang 70% on the way to being a sparky.

Regards
 

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