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Just wondering if anyone has heard of total trade services?
anyone worked for them or with them?
good or bad experience?
cheers
anyone worked for them or with them?
good or bad experience?
cheers
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AngelFX
Yes it is all over, for me too! I have decided not to bother with seeing Carillion as they are just as corrupt and the lack of support from other lads in the same boat is a massive setback and I cannot do this alone so I say goodbye to the rubbish like you Draindoctor!! I can have peace in my life knowing that I was a thorn in their side and hopefully helped to expose them and have them change their mode of operation! I have no doubt in my mind the the MD's have handed their company to a person who will operate it with them overseeing it but at least I and all the others who supported me made a stand!! Good luck with your future lads and I will keep popping back on here from time to time so see if there is owt good going on !!!!
from what i understand the reason carillion did not pursue the complaints is that total trade were able to produce examples of shoddy work by most of those people complaining to them. these were jobs which carillion were not happy with and thats why these people were let go.
When it came to all the layoffs the people who went were the ones with all the failed jobs, and complaints.
It really annoys me to see people complaining about the company getting rid of them or not paying them. We were all told when we started that if we left or were sacked, as we were on price work we would be paid outstanding money after the jobs have been checked.
Those of us who are left are still going round some of these jobs to put them right, and in my opinion any electrician who wires a boiler off a circuit supplied from 2 seperate breakers doesnt deserve to be paid. the fact that hes completed a certificate for these jobs means he must have been faking his test results too.
About 10% of the remedials i have gone to have cables properly identified. hardly any have had grommetts on them. loose cables, copper threads all over the place, cables wrapped around pipes.Boilers and heating systems wired incorrectly. I have seen some truly shoddy work over the last few weeks.
The company is partly to blame for not checking these people properly but if your applying for a job as a qualified electrician you should be able to do a decent job. And trying to close the company down for getting rid of bad electricians and plumbers is a bit hippocritical.
Some decent tradesmen will have been caught up in this and will have been laid off due to lack of work and they have my complete sympathy. Also there were mistakes with pay, but as far as i know theyve all been sorted. Im not saying the companies perfect and for a while the organisation was horrendous but that is much better now.
And i dont know about the rest of you but I was warned at my induction that they were taking on lots of new office staff as well as tradesmen and that there were going to be problems with organisatiion until they were all properly trained.
Everythings being done on a smaller scale, the girls in the office know what they are doing and everything seems to be running pretty well at the moment.
There was a guy called Daniel in charge. He has left and ive heard he was really dodgy. The new guy in charge of the warmfront work seems really good. Ive had to call him a few times because ive gone to what should should be a simple fault and have thought that the whole lot wants re - doing.
He always says to do whatever it takes to bring the job up to standard, and these are things that havent shown up on inspections. The company has basically got away with it and could leave it with no-one the wiser. We are putting it right, at the companys expense because we want to do the right thing.
Of course if he told me to leave it id leave the company as i dont want any job thats not right to have my name assosciated with it. But hes never suggested that and wants all jobs done right.
To anyone who accuses me of being biased, of course I am. I work for the company and dont want to lose my job. But ive heard from various people that it was a really good company to work for not too long ago, and I thinks its moving in the right direction and will be again.
When it came to all the layoffs the people who went were the ones with all the failed jobs, and complaints.
It really annoys me to see people complaining about the company getting rid of them or not paying them. We were all told when we started that if we left or were sacked, as we were on price work we would be paid outstanding money after the jobs have been checked.
Those of us who are left are still going round some of these jobs to put them right, and in my opinion any electrician who wires a boiler off a circuit supplied from 2 seperate breakers doesnt deserve to be paid. the fact that hes completed a certificate for these jobs means he must have been faking his test results too.
About 10% of the remedials i have gone to have cables properly identified. hardly any have had grommetts on them. loose cables, copper threads all over the place, cables wrapped around pipes.Boilers and heating systems wired incorrectly. I have seen some truly shoddy work over the last few weeks.
The company is partly to blame for not checking these people properly but if your applying for a job as a qualified electrician you should be able to do a decent job. And trying to close the company down for getting rid of bad electricians and plumbers is a bit hippocritical.
Some decent tradesmen will have been caught up in this and will have been laid off due to lack of work and they have my complete sympathy. Also there were mistakes with pay, but as far as i know theyve all been sorted. Im not saying the companies perfect and for a while the organisation was horrendous but that is much better now.
And i dont know about the rest of you but I was warned at my induction that they were taking on lots of new office staff as well as tradesmen and that there were going to be problems with organisatiion until they were all properly trained.
Everythings being done on a smaller scale, the girls in the office know what they are doing and everything seems to be running pretty well at the moment.
There was a guy called Daniel in charge. He has left and ive heard he was really dodgy. The new guy in charge of the warmfront work seems really good. Ive had to call him a few times because ive gone to what should should be a simple fault and have thought that the whole lot wants re - doing.
He always says to do whatever it takes to bring the job up to standard, and these are things that havent shown up on inspections. The company has basically got away with it and could leave it with no-one the wiser. We are putting it right, at the companys expense because we want to do the right thing.
Of course if he told me to leave it id leave the company as i dont want any job thats not right to have my name assosciated with it. But hes never suggested that and wants all jobs done right.
To anyone who accuses me of being biased, of course I am. I work for the company and dont want to lose my job. But ive heard from various people that it was a really good company to work for not too long ago, and I thinks its moving in the right direction and will be again.
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Sorry for the double post but i think youll find, Angel, that the lack of support from other lads was due to them having done really poor work and not wanting to make to big a fuss about it.
I know theres one guys missus complaining on the plumbing forums about it all and the lad sorting out all the plumbing remedials said he wanted to show her some of the pictures of her husbands work, so shed know what her old man was doing to vulnerable customers.
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draindoctor1
mr grimey,from lincs some of us have had 23 years experiance wiring y @ s plans,
so ya flannel dosnt wash wi me ripping lads off! we know mr s****** has done a bunk,but you will be taken for a ride eventually its the system,see u down job centre,just put it on ya expensis form,which u wont be paid!!!!
so ya flannel dosnt wash wi me ripping lads off! we know mr s****** has done a bunk,but you will be taken for a ride eventually its the system,see u down job centre,just put it on ya expensis form,which u wont be paid!!!!
grimey aka Brian perhaps?? If not, apologies...as Brian will stab you in the back as soon as blink. I was apparently finished for not getting a gas bond within 600mm of the meter. The customer would not allow any means of doing this , so I got as close as possible with managers permission. Documented it on mwc as well...
Manager denies all knowledge and mwc has disappeared after manager goes to site. Hmmm
Manager denies all knowledge and mwc has disappeared after manager goes to site. Hmmm
sparky3366 that sounds really unfair. Ive had that myself where the customer wont let you run a cable to the gas meter. If that happens i get a signature from them and keep copys of that and the minor works for myself.
Paperwork did have a habit of going missing after it was handed in and customers cant be relied on not to lose it.
I keep a diary of all jobs done with notes on anything unusual that happened and records of who ive informed. Ive been on warmfront work for a long time with another company and they will always try to shift any blame on to the sparky or plumber.
if theres one thing ive leared in my years in the trade its that youve always got to cover yourself, keep proof of everything and dont rely on anyone else to tell the truth.
Hopefully this wont be a problem anymore as its all being run from the wakefield deppo now. Ive been in there and seen the folder they keep all my paperwork in. Its all there from the last few weeks.
Im not brian. Just another grunt who feels lucky to still be working the way things are.
Im not saying everyone who got finished was a bad spark. Ive been sent to jobs for a faulty part and everythings been done really well.
But there are plenty of others that havent and we`re still trying to clear those up.
I went to one the other day to supp bond the boiler. Finished up re-doing the lot. Immersion cap just sat on top of tank. Live into immersion floating around, exposed and flex too short. timer screws not done up. you could lift it off and expose the live cables without a screwdriver. Wiring centre lid not on properly. Cable grips not used. Started crackling as soon as i touched it - loose cables. copper strands all over the place. No sleeving. one of the cables just wrapped around a pipe cause he couldnt be bothered to clip it.
I have no sympathy at all for any spark who did work like this.
Even if they were mad at the company, and there were plenty who had legitimate grievences, there is no excuse for that kind of thing. Its not the customers fault and they dont deserve dangerous/shoddy work.
Paperwork did have a habit of going missing after it was handed in and customers cant be relied on not to lose it.
I keep a diary of all jobs done with notes on anything unusual that happened and records of who ive informed. Ive been on warmfront work for a long time with another company and they will always try to shift any blame on to the sparky or plumber.
if theres one thing ive leared in my years in the trade its that youve always got to cover yourself, keep proof of everything and dont rely on anyone else to tell the truth.
Hopefully this wont be a problem anymore as its all being run from the wakefield deppo now. Ive been in there and seen the folder they keep all my paperwork in. Its all there from the last few weeks.
Im not brian. Just another grunt who feels lucky to still be working the way things are.
Im not saying everyone who got finished was a bad spark. Ive been sent to jobs for a faulty part and everythings been done really well.
But there are plenty of others that havent and we`re still trying to clear those up.
I went to one the other day to supp bond the boiler. Finished up re-doing the lot. Immersion cap just sat on top of tank. Live into immersion floating around, exposed and flex too short. timer screws not done up. you could lift it off and expose the live cables without a screwdriver. Wiring centre lid not on properly. Cable grips not used. Started crackling as soon as i touched it - loose cables. copper strands all over the place. No sleeving. one of the cables just wrapped around a pipe cause he couldnt be bothered to clip it.
I have no sympathy at all for any spark who did work like this.
Even if they were mad at the company, and there were plenty who had legitimate grievences, there is no excuse for that kind of thing. Its not the customers fault and they dont deserve dangerous/shoddy work.
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AngelFX
Grimeysparks remember that you cannot delete your posts off this site and if you make yourself known in the flesh you may very well find yourself in court for slanderous unfounded comments about other tradesmen without proof!!
For a while now you and your Total Trade friends have assumed many log on names to try and oust the complainers and their persuit of your company. We have had enough of the cloak and dagger rubbish and are happy to let it rest now I mean, I got my wages because DStevenson had to backtrack on why I was sacked SPrice lied about a 7milibar drop that I supposedly left, I was reinstated but sacked again because of talking on this forum!! The lads on here have ousted this company for what it is RESULT, we have showed the power of the people so you can spew your garbage as much as you want! You are either very stupid OR you have a big brown tongue my friend!
WARNING to all decent tradesmen around the country reading this Total Trade aka Tempo Energy services be warned this company is now recruiting for tradesmen to fit bathrooms/kitchens for the Better Homes scheme! BEWARE as this company has the same management minus DStevenson (on paper)
One last thing too check out this site and the last post put on there from a gentleman regarding Total Trade who are still trading but ask to have cheques written to Tempo Energy services. Take a look folks its all good reading!! WARMFRONT COMPLAINTS - a Freedom of Information request to Department of Energy and Climate Change - WhatDoTheyKnow
and for all of you still interested in fighting the crusade my complaint is back online at this link
TOTAL TRADE SERVICES - GOVERNMENT FUNDED RIP OFF! - TOTAL TRADE SERVICES/TEMPO ENERGY SERVICES consumer complaint
EACH TIME YOU CLICK THE LINK LADS THE COMPANY GET NOTIFIED SO PASS THIS LINK TO ALL YOUR BUDDIES AND FAMILY TO GET THE WORD OUT THERE!!!!
Note to all corrupt total trade and tempo MD's - just when you thought I had given up I am back!! Power to the people !!!!
For a while now you and your Total Trade friends have assumed many log on names to try and oust the complainers and their persuit of your company. We have had enough of the cloak and dagger rubbish and are happy to let it rest now I mean, I got my wages because DStevenson had to backtrack on why I was sacked SPrice lied about a 7milibar drop that I supposedly left, I was reinstated but sacked again because of talking on this forum!! The lads on here have ousted this company for what it is RESULT, we have showed the power of the people so you can spew your garbage as much as you want! You are either very stupid OR you have a big brown tongue my friend!
WARNING to all decent tradesmen around the country reading this Total Trade aka Tempo Energy services be warned this company is now recruiting for tradesmen to fit bathrooms/kitchens for the Better Homes scheme! BEWARE as this company has the same management minus DStevenson (on paper)
One last thing too check out this site and the last post put on there from a gentleman regarding Total Trade who are still trading but ask to have cheques written to Tempo Energy services. Take a look folks its all good reading!! WARMFRONT COMPLAINTS - a Freedom of Information request to Department of Energy and Climate Change - WhatDoTheyKnow
and for all of you still interested in fighting the crusade my complaint is back online at this link
TOTAL TRADE SERVICES - GOVERNMENT FUNDED RIP OFF! - TOTAL TRADE SERVICES/TEMPO ENERGY SERVICES consumer complaint
EACH TIME YOU CLICK THE LINK LADS THE COMPANY GET NOTIFIED SO PASS THIS LINK TO ALL YOUR BUDDIES AND FAMILY TO GET THE WORD OUT THERE!!!!
Note to all corrupt total trade and tempo MD's - just when you thought I had given up I am back!! Power to the people !!!!
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Hi Angel. I dont know who you are so for all I know you are one of the decent ones who cared about his customers. I dont want to get into slanging matches on here or start accusing individuals of stuff when I dont have all the facts.
I have copies of minor works left at the jobs ive had to re do because of shoddy or dangerous work. I know the names of these guys but i will not make them public on this forum because thats not the way to do it. if I come across anything unsafe I pass it on to my manager and keep a record of it, signed by the customer.
As I understand it for most of the lads who complained to corillion about being finished, we were able to produce several examples of jobs done by them which had been failed by corillion themselves for shoddy work. Just to clarify, thats what ive been told. I have had nothing to do with that other than being asked to provide photos and reports of some of the more spectacular jobs. I stand ready to be corrected on this, as I have no first hand knowledge of what goes on with corrilion.
Can I just say again that I am not saying all the lads who got finished were bad electricians, but a lot were. for the last few months i have continued to be shocked at the state some jobs were left in.
What was more disheartening was that even the ones who have generally done a decent job did not use sleeving on cables. I know its only a minor thing but if you havent marked your cables up correctly then you havent done the job to 17th edition as far as im concerned. I only know of 2 sparks so far, and at the height there were more than 30 of us I think, that actually used sleeving. Ive not been to everyones jobs, and some of the decent ones I will probably never have reason to.
But if the company didnt pay me correctly and on-time I would not be working for them. I have heard all sorts of things being said about pay, but as far as I know thats all done with now, and I know nothing about individual cases.
Yesterday i fitted 3 storage heaters and an E7 timer. took me about 10 hours, as the bonding was a real pain. Ill get paid over £160 for that job. The day before I did 2 combi boiler wire ups. on one the bonding was done so only took 2 hours. the other took me 3 as i had to do the bonding. £116 for 5 hours work.
If anyone asked me id say this companies worth working for. Everthings pretty laid back, and as long as the jobs done right and the customers are happy you can make really good money. It doesent always work out that well and sometimes you really have to work hard for your money, but in general I think im on to a pretty good thing.
And I have nothing but sympathy for any decent spark who had a bad experience of this company.
I have copies of minor works left at the jobs ive had to re do because of shoddy or dangerous work. I know the names of these guys but i will not make them public on this forum because thats not the way to do it. if I come across anything unsafe I pass it on to my manager and keep a record of it, signed by the customer.
As I understand it for most of the lads who complained to corillion about being finished, we were able to produce several examples of jobs done by them which had been failed by corillion themselves for shoddy work. Just to clarify, thats what ive been told. I have had nothing to do with that other than being asked to provide photos and reports of some of the more spectacular jobs. I stand ready to be corrected on this, as I have no first hand knowledge of what goes on with corrilion.
Can I just say again that I am not saying all the lads who got finished were bad electricians, but a lot were. for the last few months i have continued to be shocked at the state some jobs were left in.
What was more disheartening was that even the ones who have generally done a decent job did not use sleeving on cables. I know its only a minor thing but if you havent marked your cables up correctly then you havent done the job to 17th edition as far as im concerned. I only know of 2 sparks so far, and at the height there were more than 30 of us I think, that actually used sleeving. Ive not been to everyones jobs, and some of the decent ones I will probably never have reason to.
But if the company didnt pay me correctly and on-time I would not be working for them. I have heard all sorts of things being said about pay, but as far as I know thats all done with now, and I know nothing about individual cases.
Yesterday i fitted 3 storage heaters and an E7 timer. took me about 10 hours, as the bonding was a real pain. Ill get paid over £160 for that job. The day before I did 2 combi boiler wire ups. on one the bonding was done so only took 2 hours. the other took me 3 as i had to do the bonding. £116 for 5 hours work.
If anyone asked me id say this companies worth working for. Everthings pretty laid back, and as long as the jobs done right and the customers are happy you can make really good money. It doesent always work out that well and sometimes you really have to work hard for your money, but in general I think im on to a pretty good thing.
And I have nothing but sympathy for any decent spark who had a bad experience of this company.
There doesnt seem much point continuing this discussion if you dont believe a word i say.
Is it so hard to accept that not everyone had as much trouble as you? why would I work for them if I didnt get paid? thats pretty much the whole point of working. There are other people still working for them. Are they doing it for free?
Some really good lads were laid off because the warmfront work came to a virtual stop. There were also lots of really poor lads laid off too, and their shoddy work has kept me busy for months.
I went from doing 10-15 wireups a week to 2-3. Luckily(for me) there was a lot of shoddy work done so I was still pretty busy putting it all right.
People were laid off according to the amount of jobs they had failed by warmfront. Im still here because my work was ok, and because im good at fault finding. Im experienced with heating systems and was able to sort out the jobs that were wired wrong, and my customers were always happy with my work.
Im not Brian. do you really think he gives a stuff about this forum? Hes laid up at the mo and probably too busy having it away with his missus, and good luck to him.
I come on here because I care about my work. Im a good sparky, but I dont know everything and Ive learned lots on here. Ive been with Total Trade, now Tempo, since January and I have been shocked and saddened by how many cowboys they took on. many of the jobs I go back too have several problems with them, many of them just lazy or careless things from sparks who should have known better.
I dont know about the plumbers but all the bad sparks have left now. Ther is me, a guy in wales and another just started. The new guy in charge at wakefield wants the jobs done right and is willing to spend money to make sure they are. He paid one guy a couple of grand in redundancy, even tho we needed another spark, because his work wasnt up to scratch.
And once again, Not all the sparks were bad. Some decent guys were badly treated and the company made some bad mistakes. I hope theyve learened their lesson and things seem much better than they were.
Is it so hard to accept that not everyone had as much trouble as you? why would I work for them if I didnt get paid? thats pretty much the whole point of working. There are other people still working for them. Are they doing it for free?
Some really good lads were laid off because the warmfront work came to a virtual stop. There were also lots of really poor lads laid off too, and their shoddy work has kept me busy for months.
I went from doing 10-15 wireups a week to 2-3. Luckily(for me) there was a lot of shoddy work done so I was still pretty busy putting it all right.
People were laid off according to the amount of jobs they had failed by warmfront. Im still here because my work was ok, and because im good at fault finding. Im experienced with heating systems and was able to sort out the jobs that were wired wrong, and my customers were always happy with my work.
Im not Brian. do you really think he gives a stuff about this forum? Hes laid up at the mo and probably too busy having it away with his missus, and good luck to him.
I come on here because I care about my work. Im a good sparky, but I dont know everything and Ive learned lots on here. Ive been with Total Trade, now Tempo, since January and I have been shocked and saddened by how many cowboys they took on. many of the jobs I go back too have several problems with them, many of them just lazy or careless things from sparks who should have known better.
I dont know about the plumbers but all the bad sparks have left now. Ther is me, a guy in wales and another just started. The new guy in charge at wakefield wants the jobs done right and is willing to spend money to make sure they are. He paid one guy a couple of grand in redundancy, even tho we needed another spark, because his work wasnt up to scratch.
And once again, Not all the sparks were bad. Some decent guys were badly treated and the company made some bad mistakes. I hope theyve learened their lesson and things seem much better than they were.
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draindoctor1
ive just had a brilliant idea! brian,am going to set up a company ,set a load of lads on every 12 weeks,wi bonus scheme(that only lasts a month) small print! get em to drive 180 miles a day,on price! so its there time,ill stop paying their fuel after 8-10 weeks,get em to pay for it for couple o weeks,get em to pay for any excess materials THEN lay em all off,due to shoddy workman ship! and then offer them a settlement figure o half what i owe em!!!!!,after they have signed the confidendiality form!!!to zip em up,i should be on dragons den!!!!!!!!!
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