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Trouble is you'll never prove who done it and they cant throw them all inside.

Another situation I came across last week was going back to a job I had wired up with another spark to find the builder had decided to fit a socket in the bathroom for the customers electric toothbrush, he had added more lights which werent IP rated and his joints were blocks with some tape round. When I asked him what his game was he said that because the job had been signed off and build control had gone he wasnt fussed. He knew he shouldnt have been doing it but didnt have any regard for the regs or obviously for anyones safety.

Now if there was an injury/fatality there, the chances are they would go knocking on the other sparks door that I was with (his job so he signed it off) followed closely by mine.

I dont know the details of this incident and if it was the sparks who had wired it up then lets hope they get a long sentance and all the part p bodies ban them from registering again. But unfortunately work does get changed when we leave, could even of been the painter taking it off while he was working there and putting it back on wrong, its hard to prove whats happened.

Good reminder though of how one error or lack of attention could lead to something as sad as this.

Rob


Reading above posts, sounds like it was directly related to the company and installers. As mentioned if your the one doing the work, you have the responsibility, forget what some idiot in an office is trying to get you to do. One less job a day is definately worth being able to go home knowing you have left an installation safe.
 
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Tragic...but hands up all those who have never made a mistake that could have had fatal consequenses.If we are honest I'll wager there wont be many hands...It's all to easy to condemn,but errors like this are inevitable at some point,no matter how careful. There's a very fine line between getting away with it and not.

I'll also wager that everyone contributing to this thread has at some point installed something(probably minor..and last thing on a friday)... and not carried out all the tests required,or even any at all.
"Let he who is without sin.....".....you know the rest.
 
It is a tragedy and there are un answered questions which will never be resolved

It is,however,just another figure to add to a statistic that is too low to concern the rule makers
 
Well...was one of them "sparks" acting as duty holder?..If so the buck stops with him...and as for "i couldn`t test it" thats just a nonsense.....whatever happened to doing an R1 R2 and a Zs at EVERY POINT in an install?...........
 
Well...was one of them "sparks" acting as duty holder?..If so the buck stops with him...and as for "i couldn`t test it" thats just a nonsense.....whatever happened to doing an R1 R2 and a Zs at EVERY POINT in an install?...........

Yes exactly as it is the highest figure we record, as that would have been off a spur, then they cant get away with saying it may have been missed.
 
breaks my heart to hear that story. As electricians its our job to keep people safe. If that was me i would own up and seriously question my worth as a human being.

thats just sad and sick
 
A sad story indeed.

I can't say I agree with some of the previous posts concerning the responsibility lying with the sparks. As mentioned in a previous post, It could have been installed correctly then tampered with by someone at a later date.

I do feel that yet again this is another case for arguing that ALL electrical work requires certification even for like for like replacements and that any part of an electrical installation can only be touched by an electrician. The powers that be will need to get behind this though with hefty punishments for those who wish to ignore.
 
Trouble is you'll never prove who done....................................................................... knowing you have left an installation safe.

Rob, is this the same builder you refer to in your 'Working through a builder' thread?
If so, you might want to consider carefully wether you want to do any electrical work on projects he's involved with.

Just a thought...

Good luck with your fault, by the way.
 
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Was in a pub i go in (from time to time) and got into a conversation with some kitchen fitters. So always looking for potential work i thought i`d ask em "whoos your sparky"......"oh we have one" he says and follows up with " well we pull all the cable in and make off and terminate....he comes in and tests it".....make of that what you will guys........
 
Well hopefully i will be part p compliant soon and going aroud testing after a kitchen fitter is something i definately wont be getting into.....if they want it wireing the get the whole package...or i walk off i dont care.........
 
A couple of years ago I got a subbing gig with a local council on their decent homes programme. I know housebashing is pretty much hated but I quite like it and it paid the bills till something better came up. Anyway, one of the guys who was directly employed by the council was put with my squad on mains changeover day and when he saw what me and my mate Mark were doing came out with the line "I don't see the point of spending time testing cos you know that it's been done right"
I'd love to show that article to him and just say that's why idiot.
The saddest thing of all is that the gaffer knew that that attitude was endemic and allowed it to go on.
 
Well...its all about a duty of care isn`t it....I mean if i was inspecting and testing after installers i would be into everything.....and i mean EVERYTHING and owt i didn`t like i would flag it straight away....surely when you start ins and test (2391) and sparkying etc its like a covenant int it.....like a code 1...you have a duty to make it safe before leaving site...you cant just walk of from it can you........
 
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