UK Speed Limits for vans ....................

[Octopus]

OK, hands up if you weren't aware of these :

Speed limits - https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits

I wasn't!

Not been stopped yet!

 

[Andy78]

Aye, became aware a few years back. The fixed speed cameras round here don't differentiate, I have heard some ANPR equipped ones do though.
I could get mine reclassified with some modifications, but it's not worth it, I'll just keep it easy on the right foot.

 

[Strima]

Mate of mine go done in Scotland a couple of years ago, twice on the same stretch of road. He was most unimpressed...

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

If its the right sort of anpr based speed camera then it checks speed. Tax insurance mot etc... it then determines type of vehicle based on the reg plate via dvla and then will flag for speeding if relevant.
I know in this area the police can put markers on a reg plate so that as soon as a camera picks it up they track and intercept it if the person is wanted... welcome to big brother society!!
They are now putting in linked average speed cameras so if you go from one camera or junction to another too quickly the they know youve been speeding at some point... will be a big money maker for them...

 

[telectrix]

well you know now. i was only aware of them about 5 years ago.

 

[Octopus]

If its the right sort of anpr based speed camera then it checks speed. Tax insurance mot etc... it then determines type of vehicle based on the reg plate via dvla and then will flag for speeding if relevant.
I know in this area the police can put markers on a reg plate so that as soon as a camera picks it up they track and intercept it if the person is wanted... welcome to big brother society!!
They are now putting in linked average speed cameras so if you go from one camera or junction to another too quickly the they know youve been speeding at some point... will be a big money maker for them...

Big brother - no

Sensible use of technology - Yes

 

[Edtwozeronine]

So 80mph on all motorways then?

 

[rsgaz]

I wasn't!

Yeah you were, a year ago!

Speeding ticket for van

 

[Risteard]

I thought these speed recommendations were common knowledge. They're in the Highway Code.

 

[Octopus]

Yeah you were, a year ago!

Speeding ticket for van

Just goes to show how easy it is to forget............... but 1 year ago I didn't have a big van!

 

[Octopus]

I thought these speed recommendations were common knowledge. They're in the Highway Code.

I somewhat doubt that.

Most people don't realise that a road with street lighting spaced at less than 200 yards apart is a 30 mph unless signed otherwise...

 

[grantr37]

Speed limit for vans 50mph, lots of people tell you that it's nonsense but it's not.
The police will sit right behind you here in Glasgow and wait for you to move up every time they get closer then pull you for it, I always stayed at 50 and a bit below.

Also watch your driving licence if you get into one of those big tall Mercedes vans or a Ford transit tipper as they can be over the tonnage for a normal car licence even empty never mind a 1 ton pallet of cable.
My uncle has been driving for 40 years and he had to do an extra test and get a special licence to drive a big Mercedes van for his work, I see most people jumping in any size van and driving about with a full load, that's all well until you get a random traffic stop and they look at your driving licence then you can be classed as driving without a valid licence and get banned and heavily fined immediately. ( think a ban between 2 and 5 years points on when you go to apply and sit a driving test years down the line for a new licence and a fine of up to £1,000)

Google weight limits for a standard UK licence.

 

[littlespark]

Looking at the gov.uk link, which should override any info that google brings up, part of that page reads "Vehicles under 2 tonnes laden (loaded) weight may qualify as a ‘car-derived van’ or ‘dual-purpose vehicle’. These vehicles have the same speed limits as cars."

But on the table at the top, they say car-derived vans are 60mph on dual carriageway and m-way. Cars are 70.

That's confusing.

I must confess I drive my van like a car regarding speed limits. Its a citroen berlingo, short wheel base. Same shape as the Berlingo cars with the silly cup holders.

And why should a motorhome, which can be bigger than a works transit have a higher speed limit?


I agree that "speed traps" are not there to make money. They are there to reduce the number of casualties of RTA's due to excessive speed. The threat of a fine is there to stop people from breaking the law.

 

[rsgaz]

But on the table at the top, they say car-derived vans are 60mph on dual carriageway and m-way.

I think you're confusing the top two lines, the second one is "when towing". The very top line is the one you want!

 

[rapparee]

That would make the 6th gear in a Renault Traffic totally redundant if you weren't allowed to go over 60mph

But what does car derived even mean in these days of SUV crossovers

 

[littlespark]

I think you're confusing the top two lines, the second one is "when towing". The very top line is the one you want!

Yeh. You're right. I will continue driving as I have been.
Don't know how I misread that

 

[Deleted member 26818]

I somewhat doubt that.

Most people don't realise that a road with street lighting spaced at less than 200 yards apart is a 30 mph unless signed otherwise...

But it’s not.
The requirement is for the road to be iluminated during the hours of darkness.

 

[westward10]

If your van is built on a chassis used by a car then it is car derived. I think the only production vehicle that still qualifies is a Fiesta, the Astra also qualifies although is no longer manufactured.

 

[Dillb]

If your van is built on a chassis used by a car then it is car derived.

But the car has to of been on the road before the van, like a Fiesta or Astra van, while a Nemo is a van derived car.

 

[westward10]

Nemo won't hit 70

 

[westward10]

I suppose the old Corsa and Clio will qualify but again hitting 70 with any still going is debatable.

 

[Octopus]

But it’s not.
The requirement is for the road to be iluminated during the hours of darkness.

Hum ...........

Built-up area (Highway Code) - Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Built-up_area_(Highway_Code)

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

Nemo won't hit 70

I have a little bipper for going round town and parking easily, its the same as the nemo vans, it goes 70! not that i have ever gone over the speed limit of course........

 

[Deleted account]

I somewhat doubt that.

Most people don't realise that a road with street lighting spaced at less than 200 yards apart is a 30 mph unless signed otherwise...

Agree I didn't know that one until I attended a speed awareness course I did in exchange for £80 and no extra point on my licence.

 

[littlespark]

Slowing down to 30 in any built up area is common sense, with or without lamp posts. I just like to annoy the boy racers.

My Berlingo van is near identical to the Berlingo Multispace car.... which in fairness was described a van with seats and windows when it first came out.
Also identical to the Peugeot Partner van... which strangely doesn't have a car equivalent.

The 'silly cup holder' I mentioned earlier is a little cubby hole below the air vents. Theres a photo online somewhere of a macdonalds coke cup jammed into the hole, with the lid on and only just holding in the contents without spilling.
I couldn't find the photo to copy into the message here, and I wasn't going to recreate the image myself, so you'll just have to take my word for it.

 

[rsgaz]

I couldn't find the photo

Et voilà...

https://i.Upload the image directly to the thread.com/X56JpaI.jpg

 

[littlespark]

yep. that's it. cheers, rsgaz

go on... stick a straw in it

 

[telectrix]

silly arse.that's not a cup holder. it's for unopened cans od Stella, so you don't have to take your attention off the road looking for them.

 

[davesparks]

My uncle has been driving for 40 years and he had to do an extra test and get a special licence to drive a big Mercedes van for his work,

That makes no sense at all, passing your driving test before 1997 gave you a 7.5 ton licence

 

[Ned Gibbons]

That makes no sense at all, passing your driving test before 1997 gave you a 7.5 ton licence

As well as a licence you now need to have a 'Drivers Certificate of Professional Competency' to drive any think over 3.5 tonnes for work purposes. So this might be what your uncle needed to do.

DCPCs last 5 years and to renew them you need to do 5 days of training with an approved provider. The idea is our beloved HGV drivers will do one day of training every year, although there is nothing to stop them waiting till one week before their cpc expires and then doing the exact same training 5 days on the trot.

To get their first 5 years of dcpc lorry drivers do an extra theory test and an extra practical test (not driving involved, but you have to point at a lorry while answering questions).

If you've had an hgv entitlement for a long time, but need to do dcpc for the first time I understand you can choose between doing the test or the 5 days of training.

 

[grantr37]

I got speaking to a person who bought a dodge ram left hand drive truck from America and he was telling me that the rules for importing it would have forced him to spend £4,500 modifying it as it was coming from the USA so he paid a transport company to put it on a cargo train to Canada and shipped it from there, saving £4,500 as different rules from Canada, he then had to put it through an mot straight away even though it was new and had 400 miles on the clock and had to register it as a medium goods vehicle and get it "stickered" as he called it for which they charged him £750 for a short visit to a special vosa test station, informed me that as it was 3.5 tons empty, he could use it for personal use but not for his farm as it would need a digital tachograph and for him to sit an hgv test and that he was not allowed to tow a trailer with it, he had it all done up with fancy chrome exhausts and big light bars.


In the USA from what I'm led to believe (my ex is American, her dad owns a car parts manufacturing company) you can drive a 15 ton trailer home the size of an intercity bus on a plain car licence..

 

[Midwest]

But it’s not.
The requirement is for the road to be iluminated during the hours of darkness.

You need to go on a speed awareness course

 

[Midwest]

Apparently these national speed limits don't apply to large white vans.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

You need to go on a speed awareness course

Done one year before last.

 

[Midwest]

Done one year before last.

It didn't have a lasting impact?

I can still recall details from mine after a year

 

[Octopus]

Apparently these national speed limits don't apply to large white vans.

Is that why they are all hogging the outside lane of motorways at 85 mph

 

[Midwest]

Is that why they are all hogging the outside lane of motorways at 85 mph

Nope, they the ones flashing me, 'cos I'm sat in the middle lane

 

[Octopus]

Aye, became aware a few years back. The fixed speed cameras round here don't differentiate, I have heard some ANPR equipped ones do though.
I could get mine reclassified with some modifications, but it's not worth it, I'll just keep it easy on the right foot.

I asked my mate who used to be a plod about this last night.

His view was that no fixed cameras can tell what category vehicles are ......... and Police car units with ANPR could but he thinks that the coppers driving wouldn't bother to check ..........

So nice and vague then.

 

[Andy78]

I asked my mate who used to be a plod about this last night.

His view was that no fixed cameras can tell what category vehicles are ......... and Police car units with ANPR could but he thinks that the coppers driving wouldn't bother to check ..........

So nice and vague then.

From 2 years ago

https://www.businessvans.co.uk/van-law/speeds/smart-speed-camera-warning-to-van-drivers/

 

[buzzlightyear]

Not been stopped yet

you have to wait .