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Richard Desmond a tory/ UKIP supporter= owns channel 5
Sky= the murdochs, tory donors
the sun?
the mail?
the express?


Who actually watches C5?
If you can afford to pay for Sky do you actually watch the news or skip to one of the many other channels
Who buys Newspapers any more?
Who pays the subscription to read the Times?

and more importantly lets think about the BBC

The Blair Broadcasting Company - so blatently left wing its untrue?? If fact its headlines almost match those of the Guardian's

with one ex Labour Cabinet Minister on the board?
 
When the tories completely remove your pension and make you pay to see a doctor which could well happen, do not come on here moaning.

I think it is quite wrong to prejudge an outcome of a voting process and therefore vote differently. The LDs did pretty well out of 2010, whose to say UKIP are going to get this vote or that. They have largely come from nowhere and are filling what is a politics vacuum. As for pension, do you really expect any UK government can fund a decent pension.... you are on your own....time to build your own portfolio.... oh BTW - GB, single handed, delivered a fatal blow to pensions when he abolished tax relief on Divs ( I guess you forgot that) ... Ha ha
 
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Wow, almost my dream manifesto.... well done UKIP
 
You're entirely missing the point Clive. The tories call it Labour's recession as if they caused it when we all know, at least those of us with a modicum of intelligence do, that it was caused by the betting shop economics that the banks wanted. No political party had the balls to stop it or rein it in a little.
However, the fact remains. Borrowing has grown exponentially (almost) under this government but they try to convince us that they have it under control when the exact opposite is true. 5 years on you can't blame it on what ever conceived mess was left behind by the last lot. They promised to eliminate it within 1 parliament, it was one of their whiteboard promises "if we don't do this, in 5 years time kick us out"
Well they've screwed up on that and every other promise made by Cameron on that board and Britain has become worse under them. More foodbanks, more homelessness, a worsening NHS, less police, less firefighters, more division in society, worsening public services.
What division and what society. Regardless of whether borrowing was high low or whatever, its was a Tory that gave the economic plan confidence which allowed us to continue to borrow at a reasonable rate. Labour had lost that confidence both at home and to our lenders. I don't think Labour can shed the last term in office just yet. Its still too painful for some, but we'll see how MDFs campaigning goes...
 
but we'll see how MDFs campaigning goes...

Hahahaha! MDF lol

To be fair, I've been a life long Labour voter. As I'm sure you can tell by my sig I'm certainly no Tory. I can totally see where he's coming from. The thing is, MDF can't see how New Labour sold out the working classes a long long time ago! I'm not exactly 'anti' Labour, I'm just no longer 'pro' Labour.

If it was old Labour in opposition my vote would be going straight to them, but I certainly won't be voting for that snivelling little lost puppy Millipede any time soon!
 
What division and what society.
They've managed to set a lot of the working population against the unemployed, sick, poor and disabled by their rhetoric. That's the societal division I'm talking about. Malcolm X once said "If you're not careful the politicians and the press who are doing the oppressing will have you hating the people who are being oppressed"
It seems to me from all the TV programs like benefit street, life on the dole etc that they're doing a pretty good job
 
They've managed to set a lot of the working population against the unemployed, sick, poor and disabled by their rhetoric. That's the societal division I'm talking about. Malcolm X once said "If you're not careful the politicians and the press who are doing the oppressing will have you hating the people who are being oppressed"
It seems to me from all the TV programs like benefit street, life on the dole etc that they're doing a pretty good job

Fair point, don't watch reality $hit, it does my head in. But thinking about it, it really is a bit weird putting stuff like that on prime time, or anytime for that matter. Dealing with scroungers and the workshy is not something to trust to TV Cos
 
Don't get me wrong Plug, there are people out there who are happy to live their life on the dole but they're a tiny minority. So we have to ask ourselves, why are those programmes being made?
1 Because they're cheap to make
2 Because it furthers the tory agenda of setting one group of people against another to distract them from the real problems.
Just my 2 pennorth
 
Hahahaha! MDF lol

To be fair, I've been a life long Labour voter. As I'm sure you can tell by my sig I'm certainly no Tory. I can totally see where he's coming from. The thing is, MDF can't see how New Labour sold out the working classes a long long time ago! I'm not exactly 'anti' Labour, I'm just no longer 'pro' Labour.

If it was old Labour in opposition my vote would be going straight to them, but I certainly won't be voting for that snivelling little lost puppy Millipede any time soon!

Hit, nail and head (again).

The problem with Labour is that the vast majority we "see" are nearly all "products" of a privileged upbringing...... and the reason is that they (like Tony Blair) aren't posh enough for the Conservative Party.
 
Hit, nail and head (again).

The problem with Labour is that the vast majority we "see" are nearly all "products" of a privileged upbringing...... and the reason is that they (like Tony Blair) aren't posh enough for the Conservative Party.

IDS is still at it, one of the few who have actually earned a living like a normal bloke
 
Don't get me wrong Plug, there are people out there who are happy to live their life on the dole but they're a tiny minority. So we have to ask ourselves, why are those programmes being made?
1 Because they're cheap to make
2 Because it furthers the tory agenda of setting one group of people against another to distract them from the real problems.
Just my 2 pennorth

I am struggling with it being a Tory agenda item, but for the sake of argument, I think its dangerous to set out to do that. Even Farage has to be careful how he delivers messages on immigration, and quite right too. The general public are too stupid to be trusted with a vote on running the country...... :)
 

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