unfinished work, no part p cert

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BORNFREE

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hiya, i have had a full rewire and am seeking advice , the consumer box that was fitted has 2 copper pins showing, the electrician has been promising for 9mnths to come back and blank these off, i still waiting after several attempts,i also dont have the part p cert which he said i would get, i contacted him again today and have given him a week to put this right, he said he would be here next week(again) i said i would report this to the relevant bodies, thing is what are they, hope someone can point me in the right direction. thanks bornfree
 
thankyou sirkit breaker, assuming he does not turn up next week then i definatley have no choice to report, my concern there is that when i have reported this, will the authorities deem it as unsafe condition, i have been told that they can force me to have it all taken out and refitted. would this be the local authority where i live. thanks bornfree

Report it to the Local authority for where the job is, not where you live, unless they are the same.
 
thanks not clever for your reply.
i will certainly keep you and the rest of the site updated on this situation, oh by the way my location is mansfield, notts. am i allowed to post this info i not sure but hey i have now. thanks bornfree

it`s fine posting your location, maybe as not clever said someone may drop by for you and have a look at it for you.
did he leave you any letterheads for quotes or invoices that had any scheme names on it?
 
i have just looked at the qoute he sent and at the bottom it says all electriacal installations are installed accordance with bs:7671:2008 iee wiring regulations. this was on a company letter haed.
 
Most of what I have to say has been said already,but I will sum up what I think

You are aware of part p and the responsibility for Labc involvment,otherwise you wouldn't be enquiring on this site
You are to be commended for being aware, because the vast majority of the general public are neither aware of part p, or aware or concerned about IEE regulations electrical installation requirements for certification

You were aware of part p and should therefore be aware that it is your responsibility to ensure that work you have carried out in your home complies with its requirements

You could have used a non registered qualified electrician and informed building control, or the alternative method of employing a person who can self certificate for compliance with part p of the building regs by being registered with a scheme

Electricians who are trying to abide by this building regulation are very angry that lack of awareness by the public allows tradesmen(perhaps) who do not have the financial costs of complying ,to be undercutting the law abiding registered electricians, and householders who employ these peolpe do so on a lower cost basis only

If the guy was registered then he had 30 days from completion to notify the work to the Labc,so it would seem, he is either not registered, or he is in breach of his membership of his scheme providor
You say he is with the Niceic,this could and should have been checked by yourself, before deciding which of the 2 routes to compliance you were going to take,before the work started

If he is Niceic registered,their complaints procedure will make absolutely certain, that you face a long hard and mostly impossible quest for any resolving of your situation,they have a notorius catch 22 procedure that the public are not aware of

Your procedure in resolving this issue can be a number of ways

If the Labc are not aware of the work done,you could do what he vast majority of the country does,break the law by ignoring the rediculous notification rules of part p

You could involve the Niceic in the hope that it would miraculously be resolved that way

You could approach Labc and ask if another registered electrician can complete a periodic inspection report, that would perhaps satisfy them.it is an unacceptable route taken by building control,because they neither have the knowlege or time or inclination to want to be involved in proper procedures of complying with the law
You could then have a regularisation certificate off building control that will satisfy part p

All in all.it was your responsibility,you didn't comply.you now have a problem with the standard of work
the standard of work could still be poor and building control satisfied with procedure,but the standard of work is probably irrelevant,you did not follow procedures,you are the guilty party
Hyperthetically,because you had this work undertaken without permission, and the only certifcate that building control should accept, is an electrical installation certificate (EIC). then because of things like routing and installation methods of cabling,no one could issue this certificate for you, other than your installer,if that were the decision of building control,then yes you would have difficulty displaying the cabling to them and they could ask for cables to be displayed,hence the "rip it to bits possibility"

That will not happen,you need to ask Labc what procedure you can take to rectify your own mis demeanours

In defence of yourself,its a sorry state of affairs when the general public look to these cowboy tradespeople sites, before the competent person government registers
 
thanks des for the very informative reply i will digest the information you provided and keep you and the forum posted of any developments. maybe if i have the work rechecked and then just ignore the part p rule (maybe just not say i have had any work done at all ) one point i will add is that the rewire was done because i was having a kitchen installed and that was a requirment from the kitchen people that the electrics have to be up to date, when the kitchen was being installed there electrician checked the electrics and passed it as ok.
 
Quite a hard hitting and factual post Des, but a bit OTT for somone seeking advice on a tradesman he contracted in good faith. If nothing get a PIR done as peace of mind, but as said there will be limitations as regards to cable routing and runs.
 
hi all just an update.
i contacted electrician today armed with all the fantastic info this forum provide and gave him the ultimatum of getting himself round here and completing the job he was paid to do. i have said i will be drafting emails letters and telephoning all interested parties including tax and vat to pass on my concerns if he doesnt comply with this final request. he has made a date of next thursday morning 8.30, i really hope he heeds my intentions as i dont want the further hassle that it will bring but i will take that course if needed. he does say he is now part p and he has normally submited his work for a part p to be issued but has been too busy, anyway the ultimatum has been given, i will be back next week to give you the result of the day, (lets hope its the right one. once again thank you to all of you for helpfull input. regards bornfree
 
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hi
just an update on my situation as i promised, well seems like a result, electrician called last night and fitted the blanking plates, bout time too, he says he will send the "chips" in and i should recieve the part p from building control or something like that, i think it might be council. heres hoping the job is finally put to rest, i will come back and inform forum of result. thanks too all you people for your help and advice. regards bornfree.
 

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