Unqualified, inexperienced badged "electricians"

[highspark]

How can we put an end to this drivel? Why is there people out there unqualified and inexperienced bluffing their way into work. Taking work from fully qualified time served lads?Theres a couple in my area. Driving round in vans with schemes tatooed all over them. They look the biz - the outfit. But I know they are not electricians. They are chancers bluffing their way through. The 17th Edition minimum requirement to have a schemes backing...its a farce. The problem I have is the customers can't differenciate from a fully qualified. 17th edition, 2391, tech cert nvq3 electrician from a 17th edition short course idiot! It boils my blood

 

[Engineer54]

What hasnt been mentioned are the hundreds if not thousands of "sparkys" that have no experience at all, have never attended even a 5 DAY course, have no insurance, not registered, pay no tax and issue no certification & do no testing.

Now, are they worse?

Just a thought

Well, they aren't sparky's are they!! These guy's are little more than DIY'ers, the Dave's down the pub!! Your always going to get these sort no-matter what you do. What were talking about is so-called registered competent electricians that are clearly anything but competent!!!

 

[trev]

The rules always penalise the law abiding
The ban on handguns took legally held guns off the streets (not that I agree with people owning guns) The proposed system of compulsory 3rd partyinsurance for dog owners would have punished the responsible dog owners. Part P punishes the legitamate spark.
I believe the system should raise it's minimum qualification requirement, perhaps 17th edition to prove they can read EAL DI cert this would prove they have done a little wiring and 2391 so they would know how to test. The DI schemes will never go away whether we agree with them or not, they are a fact of life and the turkeys ain't going to vote for christmas

 

[grimysparks80]

it leaves me wondering where I went so wrong with it all. Tomorrow is another day though eh?

I feel like that sometimes. At some point during my youth I walked right past the door labeled `Rock Superstar, Sex symbol, Millionaire Playboy` and instead plumped for the door that said `Hard working downtrodden sparky whos gonna graft till he drops.`
Lol. Still, youve got to laugh havent you:cry_smile:

 

[finto86]

If you are not qualified to do electrical work you shouldn't even have the tools. If you need experence then find a company to take you on for apprenticeship training like the rest of us had to do

 

[ipf]

An apprentice, under the supervision of a fully qualified and experienced electrician can be said to be in a somewhat 'trial and error' situation. It saddens and concerns me that supposedly qualified individuals could find themselves in such situations. Ignorance is bliss.

 

[grimysparks80]

I've worked for one of these 5weeks wonders. Basicly i was made redundant in 2010 midway through my apprenticeship my company went into administration. Then quickly found another job with a 5 week wonder company. It soon came to me that the my boss didn't know what he was talking about. But customers loved him because he came across confident and kept true to his work on when we would turn up ect. and the cost of the jobs. He paid me min wage because i was still in training, but didn't want me to continue my nvq and tried to block it, so i left because of that. Then he paid his other electrician £6.50ph ! all he had done was 2330 level 2 and 3 no NVQ. In the 3 months i worked for him, he told us to do in my eyes absolutely dangerous things, he would feed a 2nd consumer unit in the loft using 10mm T&E, some times 6mm from down stairs consumer unit, but instead of fusing it down properly he just shoved it in with the main tails on the main switch, the reason for that he said was because if he put a breaker on the board he'd responsible for the whole installation! Never tested for main bonding as he didn't see the point. Never used grommets, or wouldn't even file sharp edges off trunking! plastic or metal. I have no idea how this guy is aloud to trade. Absolute liability. Got my self out of their asap, but when i attended another interview they told me they knew him very well and he was an actor up to 5 years ago! I Know work for a proper firm with proper sparks and gaining proper training and experience

I went for a job with a small local firm last year after my old firm went bust. I got the job, picked up a hire van and went to the company oofice to get my gear.

The QS gave me a drum of 1.5 t+e and asked me to go fit a couple of sockets for my first job. I pointed out that surely I should be using 2.5.
He said "sorry weve run out. But dont worry. ittl be under the floors so no one will know." I walked out right there. Shortest job I ever had.

 

[SPARTYKUS]

it leaves me wondering where I went so wrong with it all. Tomorrow is another day though eh?

I feel like that sometimes. At some point during my youth I walked right past the door labeled `Rock Superstar, Sex symbol, Millionaire Playboy` and instead plumped for the door that said `Hard working downtrodden sparky whos gonna graft till he drops.`
Lol. Still, youve got to laugh havent you:cry_smile:

Made me laugh. Watched the last episode of "Lost" (TV thing) yesterday, there's a bit where a bloke called Jack wakes up after a massive electro magnetic disruption to his already stabbed beaten body, he's got blood coming out of his nose and side, and he kind of jolts and twitches into a standing position.

Looked like me getting up every morning

 

[SPARTYKUS]

I went for a job with a small local firm last year after my old firm went bust. I got the job, picked up a hire van and went to the company oofice to get my gear.

The QS gave me a drum of 1.5 t+e and asked me to go fit a couple of sockets for my first job. I pointed out that surely I should be using 2.5.
He said "sorry weve run out. But dont worry. ittl be under the floors so no one will know." I walked out right there. Shortest job I ever had.

Maybe he had a box of fused spurs and 13A fuses under the desk to give you after you'd put the 1.5 in the van

 

[grimysparks80]

Made me laugh. Watched the last episode of "Lost" (TV thing) yesterday, there's a bit where a bloke called Jack wakes up after a massive electro magnetic disruption to his already stabbed beaten body, he's got blood coming out of his nose and side, and he kind of jolts and twitches into a standing position.

Looked like me getting up every morning

Id change your alarm clock mate.

 

[grimysparks80]

Maybe he had a box of fused spurs and 13A fuses under the desk to give you after you'd put the 1.5 in the van

Bet if Id lasted a year hed have got me a set of B&Q screwdrivers as a loyalty gift.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

thing is here n all is these courses all claim "be an electrician in 5 weeks....2 months"...whatever.....should be a breach of advertising or something here.....what they are selling aint electricians courses....just a DIs course....thats all.......

 

[i=p/u]

as we all knoe aint going to go away, and if you look at half the companys out there they are employing george and bungle to install his wiring ..

just the way it is.... but hopefully they electrocute somone in parliment then they change the law again...

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Made me laugh. Watched the last episode of "Lost" (TV thing) yesterday, there's a bit where a bloke called Jack wakes up after a massive electro magnetic disruption to his already stabbed beaten body, he's got blood coming out of his nose and side, and he kind of jolts and twitches into a standing position.

Looked like me getting up every morning

Id change your alarm clock mate.

I thought it was a snooze button

 

[grimysparks80]

I dont think the course itself is so bad, but there should be some sort of experience requirement to go with it. Such as having to spend at least a year working with a time served spark for instance.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

as we all knoe aint going to go away, and if you look at half the companys out there they are employing george and bungle to install his wiring ..

just the way it is.... but hopefully they electrocute somone in parliment then they change the law again...

dont forget zippy..lol....