USA politics, recent events.

[littlespark]

I think this thread has come to the end of its useful discussion, well it has for me. Some of you are choosing to believe in what you want to believe in, not what the truth is in reality.

Surely we all believe in something we want to believe in???
Are you telling me Santa Claus isn’t real???

 

[Darkwood]

I think this thread has come to the end of its useful discussion, well it has for me. Some of you are choosing to believe in what you want to believe in, not what the truth is in reality.

A bold statement in deed, you basically have taken the position that you are right and those that probably differ in opinion are wrong and they are in a fantasy world of some kind.
When it comes to the USA and especially its accusations of child sexual abuse it is a difficult subject matter to prove given the extent and lengths they go to cover it up. I am also bound to consider what I can post here, some of it that would have you question what you think you know is not suitable for this forum and would bring the wrong kind of attention to the forum.

I however can give you plenty of closer to home examples of news suppression that lasted decades.

-The BBC and Jimmy Saville - they knew all along and protected him, the BBC has officially apologised for decades of cover up. (remember the infamous sex pistols interview in 1978 where Lydon exposes the cover up that effectively got him banned and all we saw is news outlet after news outlet attack Lydon for his 'lies') ... 30yrs it took for it to be exposed and now we look at that moment in a very different light.

- Child grooming gangs prevalent throughout the UK in the muslim communities, again we saw systematic cover up from government, police, councils, care services for decades and anyone that mentioned it were some kind of racist and/or conspiracist, whistle blowers who tried were often threatened, lost their jobs etc and still to this day we have a government report that was promised to be released to the public and not held back on because of ethnic sensitivity but said report remains out of public view and the reason why is it is damning and exposes a much larger problem than they even realised.

-Global children's charities helping 3rd world nations swarming with volunteers that for decades were molesting and raping the kids they were supposed to be helping, buried until a few yrs ago even after yrs of accusations.

I and others here are no conspiracy theorists when it comes to a lot of what has been discussed, you will struggle to find it on normal internet searches because they simply do not want you to find it, take it from someone that has seen a lot of the evidence before it was erased from the internet, if you seriously want to take that pill and see the real world you live it it isn't very nice but you cannot go back, it means using search engines and sites that do not share your info and VPN's to mask your IP to some extent although you can safely scratch the surface enough to convince even the largest doubter without the need to go that far.

All you have to do over the US election is answer the simplest of questions or ask it as I have already done so with no reply from anyone.

- If the election was not rigged then the biggest piece of evidence was simply for the democrats to provide access to the Ballots and the counting machines, this would have confirmed from day 1 the legitimacy of the elections and ended this last november, however what has happened and is still happened even under court order to release them is a refusal to access them even to this day - not only do we have republicans asking this question but we have plenty of democrats themselves asking the same question because they believe a fair election is more important than losing to Trump.

 

[telectrix]

Surely we all believe in something we want to believe in???
Are you telling me Santa Claus isn’t real???

next thing is we'll be told is that Star Trek is fiction.

 

[littlespark]

next thing is we'll be told is that Star Trek is fiction.

“Live Long and prosper”

I reckon you’re half way there, @telectrix

 

[telectrix]

“Live Long and prosper”

I reckon you’re half way there, @telectrix

no need for formality. "Tel" will do. ??

 

[GBDamo]

A bold statement in deed, you basically have taken the position that you are right and those that probably differ in opinion are wrong and they are in a fantasy world of some kind.
When it comes to the USA and especially its accusations of child sexual abuse it is a difficult subject matter to prove given the extent and lengths they go to cover it up. I am also bound to consider what I can post here, some of it that would have you question what you think you know is not suitable for this forum and would bring the wrong kind of attention to the forum.

I however can give you plenty of closer to home examples of news suppression that lasted decades.

-The BBC and Jimmy Saville - they knew all along and protected him, the BBC has officially apologised for decades of cover up. (remember the infamous sex pistols interview in 1978 where Lydon exposes the cover up that effectively got him banned and all we saw is news outlet after news outlet attack Lydon for his 'lies') ... 30yrs it took for it to be exposed and now we look at that moment in a very different light.

- Child grooming gangs prevalent throughout the UK in the muslim communities, again we saw systematic cover up from government, police, councils, care services for decades and anyone that mentioned it were some kind of racist and/or conspiracist, whistle blowers who tried were often threatened, lost their jobs etc and still to this day we have a government report that was promised to be released to the public and not held back on because of ethnic sensitivity but said report remains out of public view and the reason why is it is damning and exposes a much larger problem than they even realised.

-Global children's charities helping 3rd world nations swarming with volunteers that for decades were molesting and raping the kids they were supposed to be helping, buried until a few yrs ago even after yrs of accusations.

I and others here are no conspiracy theorists when it comes to a lot of what has been discussed, you will struggle to find it on normal internet searches because they simply do not want you to find it, take it from someone that has seen a lot of the evidence before it was erased from the internet, if you seriously want to take that pill and see the real world you live it it isn't very nice but you cannot go back, it means using search engines and sites that do not share your info and VPN's to mask your IP to some extent although you can safely scratch the surface enough to convince even the largest doubter without the need to go that far.

All you have to do over the US election is answer the simplest of questions or ask it as I have already done so with no reply from anyone.

- If the election was not rigged then the biggest piece of evidence was simply for the democrats to provide access to the Ballots and the counting machines, this would have confirmed from day 1 the legitimacy of the elections and ended this last november, however what has happened and is still happened even under court order to release them is a refusal to access them even to this day - not only do we have republicans asking this question but we have plenty of democrats themselves asking the same question because they believe a fair election is more important that losing to Trump.

All true but to be honest I genuinely now think that ignorance IS bliss.

If you haven't looked for this stuff don't but also accept that you are ignorant.

Best to keep out of these topics, I don't know what good they do.

 

[Darkwood]

All true but to be honest I genuinely now think that ignorance IS bliss.

If you haven't looked for this stuff don't but also accept that you are ignorant.

Best to keep out of these topics, I don't know what good they do.

True - many occasions over the yrs I have often thought it is better to actually live in ignorance and just enjoy the basics of life than to know what is really going on although I don't really discuss this outside of the online world, when friends and family have lived in this media and government created bubble for decades it isn't easy to change their whole perception of the real world and is why it is a hard pill to swallow at first.

Most conspiracies out there are stupid and clearly reserved to the realms of crazy people but one has to realise that conspiracy is a convenient tag to help hide an uncomfortable truth especially by those in power and control.

 

[FatAlan]

A bold statement in deed, you basically have taken the position that you are right and those that probably differ in opinion are wrong and they are in a fantasy world of some kind.
When it comes to the USA and especially its accusations of child sexual abuse it is a difficult subject matter to prove given the extent and lengths they go to cover it up. I am also bound to consider what I can post here, some of it that would have you question what you think you know is not suitable for this forum and would bring the wrong kind of attention to the forum.

I however can give you plenty of closer to home examples of news suppression that lasted decades.

-The BBC and Jimmy Saville - they knew all along and protected him, the BBC has officially apologised for decades of cover up. (remember the infamous sex pistols interview in 1978 where Lydon exposes the cover up that effectively got him banned and all we saw is news outlet after news outlet attack Lydon for his 'lies') ... 30yrs it took for it to be exposed and now we look at that moment in a very different light.

- Child grooming gangs prevalent throughout the UK in the muslim communities, again we saw systematic cover up from government, police, councils, care services for decades and anyone that mentioned it were some kind of racist and/or conspiracist, whistle blowers who tried were often threatened, lost their jobs etc and still to this day we have a government report that was promised to be released to the public and not held back on because of ethnic sensitivity but said report remains out of public view and the reason why is it is damning and exposes a much larger problem than they even realised.

-Global children's charities helping 3rd world nations swarming with volunteers that for decades were molesting and raping the kids they were supposed to be helping, buried until a few yrs ago even after yrs of accusations.

I and others here are no conspiracy theorists when it comes to a lot of what has been discussed, you will struggle to find it on normal internet searches because they simply do not want you to find it, take it from someone that has seen a lot of the evidence before it was erased from the internet, if you seriously want to take that pill and see the real world you live it it isn't very nice but you cannot go back, it means using search engines and sites that do not share your info and VPN's to mask your IP to some extent although you can safely scratch the surface enough to convince even the largest doubter without the need to go that far.

All you have to do over the US election is answer the simplest of questions or ask it as I have already done so with no reply from anyone.

- If the election was not rigged then the biggest piece of evidence was simply for the democrats to provide access to the Ballots and the counting machines, this would have confirmed from day 1 the legitimacy of the elections and ended this last november, however what has happened and is still happened even under court order to release them is a refusal to access them even to this day - not only do we have republicans asking this question but we have plenty of democrats themselves asking the same question because they believe a fair election is more important than losing to Trump.

What I object to strongly is the right wing insinuation specifically highlighting child grooming gangs to Muslim communities. Yes there have been grooming gangs linked to muslim communities but is this anymore prevalent than any other community? All the perverts I arrested were all dirty old white anglo saxons. I can tell you for a fact that across the board kids in care, due to lack of support and supervision have always been exposed to exploitation... a clear failure of our social service resourcing. Go back a few years and these children were treated as problem offenders due to the disruption they caused in communities due to drugs, theft and disorder. No one actually looked at the causes. What you have seen is a change on policing and social culture in the last few years. These kids would/do not talk or cooperate with police so bringing about prosecutions was extremely difficult. Its only in recent years that changes in legislation have enabled victims more support in giving evidence and also the ability to bring about victim-less prosecutions.

 

[GBDamo]

....Most conspiracies out there are stupid and clearly reserved to the realms of crazy people but one has to realise that conspiracy is a convenient tag to help hide an uncomfortable truth especially by those in power and control.

Damo's first law of conspiracy theories;-

"The closer you are to the truth the greater the proportion of what you read is bollux"

Pretty much all conspiracy theories have a kernel of truth then two things happen. One, deliberately misinformation is sewn and two, the internet goes into meltdown about it.

 

[GBDamo]

What I object to strongly is the right wing insinuation specifically highlighting child grooming gangs to Muslim communities. Yes there have been grooming gangs linked to muslim communities but is this anymore prevalent than any other community? All the perverts I arrested were all dirty old white anglo saxons. I can tell you for a fact that across the board kids in care, due to lack of support and supervision have always been exposed to exploitation... a clear failure of our social service resourcing. Go back a few years and these children were treated as problem offenders due to the disruption they caused in communities due to drugs, theft and disorder. No one actually looked at the causes. What you have seen is a change on policing and social culture in the last few years. These kids would/do not talk or cooperate with police so bringing about prosecutions was extremely difficult. Its only in recent years that changes in legislation have enabled victims more support in giving evidence and also the ability to bring about victim-less prosecutions.

Its no the noncing, as you point out, there are many more white nonces but these tend to be solo nonces operating from positions of familiarity on an opportunity.

The issue with Asian gangs is that there is a racist element, one that the establishment does not want to recognise let alone tackle. White girls are seen as trash and acceptable targets by far too many in these communities while their own young women are locked up and married off to uncles in some Stan somewhere.

Local councils and law enforcement don't want to look too closely at the Asian night time economy for fear of being labeled racist themselves but there are thousands of horny young Asian men predating on drunk or vulnerable young women.

 

[electric al]

Depends whose " truth and reality" we are buying into

 

[FatAlan]

Damo's first law of conspiracy theories;-

"The closer you are to the truth the greater the proportion of what you read is bollux"

Pretty much all conspiracy theories have a kernel of truth then two things happen. One, deliberately misinformation is sewn and two, the internet goes into meltdown about it.

Too true. I've worked on some very high profile investigations in the past. Often there were headlines based on "leaked info' to the national press. This was however, quite reassuring because it confirmed that there were no leaks as the headlines were, as you say ....bollux ?

 

[FatAlan]

Its no the noncing, as you point out, there are many more white nonces but these tend to be solo nonces operating from positions of familiarity on an opportunity.

The issue with Asian gangs is that there is a racist element, one that the establishment does not want to recognise let alone tackle. White girls are seen as trash and acceptable targets by far too many in these communities while their own young women are locked up and married off to uncles in some Stan somewhere.

Local councils and law enforcement don't want to look too closely at the Asian night time economy for fear of being labeled racist themselves but there are thousands of horny young Asian men predating on drunk or vulnerable young women.

Where is the evidence of that?

Police investigate the allegation infront of them and as I've said, a few years back, if the victims weren't cooperating or engaging the investigations were not pushed forward. There may well have been a racist element to those particular gangs and their young white girl targets were probably more accessible. Who's not to say that there isn't a similar level insular abuse within those communities as well.

Are muslim gangs more prevalent than Eastern European, African, Asian, British, Irish gangs that exploit young women. Surely those involved in criminality within communities reflect the communities they are in?

'Local councils and law enforcement don't want to look too closely at the Asian night time economy for fear of being labeled racist themselves but there are thousands of horny young Asian men predating on drunk or vulnerable young women.' ....Divisive right wing bollox ... are you saying young Asian men are more horny than white guys.. although that probably is true for Tommy Robinson supporters! ?

 

[GBDamo]

Where is the evidence of that?

Police investigate the allegation infront of them and as I've said, a few years back, if the victims weren't cooperating or engaging the investigations were not pushed forward. There may well have been a racist element to those particular gangs and their young white girl targets were probably more accessible. Who's not to say that there isn't a similar level insular abuse within those communities as well.

Are muslim gangs more prevalent than Eastern European, African, Asian, British, Irish gangs that exploit young women. Surely those involved in criminality within communities reflect the communities they are in?

'Local councils and law enforcement don't want to look too closely at the Asian night time economy for fear of being labeled racist themselves but there are thousands of horny young Asian men predating on drunk or vulnerable young women.' ....Divisive right wing bollox ... are you saying young Asian men are more horny than white guys.. although that probably is true for Tommy Robinson supporters! ?

No, not at all, just we live in a highly sexualised world, temptation is everywhere, and western women have the freedom to engage in sex before marriage and with whom they like, meaning white men have access.

When you have a highly religious and exclusive community that see their females as pure and chaste and not to be touched until married, then married off outside the immediate community, you have a lot of horny males with no access.

As many of these work in the night-time economy then there are opportunities but with women they see as ------.

Its not healthy and not surprising so many cross the line between immoral and illegal, and that the community keeps quiet.

 

[nicebutdim]

All true but to be honest I genuinely now think that ignorance IS bliss.

If you haven't looked for this stuff don't but also accept that you are ignorant.

Best to keep out of these topics, I don't know what good they do.

I've been exceptionally careful with the wording of some posts.

There are occasions when it's better to be dismissed or ignored, than bear the cost of winning an argument.