USA politics, recent events.

[Darkwood]

@FatAlan

Yes just as GBdamo expresses and relative to what I said before, all the evidence exists but the court system is deliberately stonewalling procedure, unlike the UK the US courts are weighted more by political opinion than actual law, the conclusion of any political case will more often than not fall to whoever has political favour in the system. This is been what has blocked evidence for been admitted and evidence been collected throughout the last 12weeks.

 

[snowhead]

@GBDamo
the back turning was filmed numerous times, even in some mainstream media some of the soldiers have their backs turned as a deliberate act of disrespect because they simply couldn't filter it all out of the coverage.

Have you interviewed the troops and confirmed they all did it as an act of disrespect?

If your declassified files are as reliable as the statement I've quoted then you should bin it all now.
The National Guard were there to guard Biden, not to look at him.
Some were facing the road, some were facing away,, to watch for any trouble behind.
It's standard military practice, have you never heard the term "Watch my Back"?

 

[GBDamo]

Have you interviewed the troops and confirmed they all did it as an act of disrespect?

If your declassified files are as reliable as the statement I've quoted then you should bin it all now.
The National Guard were there to guard Biden, not to look at him.
Some were facing the road, some were facing away,, to watch for any trouble behind.
It's standard military practice, have you never heard the term "Watch my Back"?

Even as a fully signed up conspiriloon flat earther, I'm inclined to believe what you say to be the most likely explanation.

Just to add, dismissing all declassified material on account of a personal opinion on an unrelated topic is a logical fallacy, makes no sense.

 

[FatAlan]

@FatAlan

Yes just as GBdamo expresses and relative to what I said before, all the evidence exists but the court system is deliberately stonewalling procedure, unlike the UK the US courts are weighted more by political opinion than actual law, the conclusion of any political case will more often than not fall to whoever has political favour in the system. This is been what has blocked evidence for been admitted and evidence been collected throughout the last 12weeks.

Where is this blocked evidence then? You can bet your bottom dollar Trump would have made sure it would have surfaced one way or another. Clutching at straws?

 

[Darkwood]

Have you interviewed the troops and confirmed they all did it as an act of disrespect?

If your declassified files are as reliable as the statement I've quoted then you should bin it all now.
The National Guard were there to guard Biden, not to look at him.
Some were facing the road, some were facing away,, to watch for any trouble behind.
It's standard military practice, have you never heard the term "Watch my Back"?

The declassified material does not reflect on the troops and the inauguration, Trump had kind of left by then, now so hard is info to find on this matter that even I have to speculate, why 25,000 troops and 1000's of local law enforcements and secret service?
From what I can gather that amount of troops was not requested in such numbers but more so stationed by the pentagon and given it's military instructions and movements it is impossible to get any info on it especially relating to this event and how recent it was.
Given that in 2009 Obama sent 30,000 more troops in Afghanistan due to the threat level of a post war zone you really have to ask why 25,000 in domestic virtual event?
It is totally unrealistic that the dem's would request such a large amount, 5,000 is more than enough for a virtual inauguration, it was very difficult to get in and out of DC by all accounts on the day so how we justify 25,000 is just mind boggling and even the media on both sides were confused.

I speculate something was planned or expected to go down on that day and it didn't for some reason, now either a high level threat we haven't been privy to was incoming and numbers on the ground made the threat (if a large group of activists) change their minds or ... the military were actually planning something themselves but they changed their minds for some unknown reason... it could even be something else but what I don't buy is there were just there in such numbers for nothing more than show of force.

PS the video of the guards turning their back is disputed with one side saying one thing and the other saying another thing, what does not make sense is why does the car drive past single filed soldiers for a good distance all facing the car and not scoping the rear like you suggest would be normal then we get to a group all facing away and about 4 lines deep, surely only the rear guard would be looking out the other way and not all 4 tiers if your suggestion was right.
The national guards comments are at most protecting their own arses for their guards disrespectful nature. If this was normal to secure the perimeter then we would have seen it throughout the line of soldiers earlier in the drive past but that was simply not the case at all.

 

[brianmoooore]

How is it fake when they have arrested and charged BLM and Antifa members, look up John Sullivan's arrest,

What's Sullivan got to do with Antifa, BLM, or the left in general? He's a self confessed insurgent.

 

[GBDamo]

Where is this blocked evidence then? You can bet your bottom dollar Trump would have made sure it would have surfaced one way or another. Clutching at straws?

Its all over the Internet if you really want to find it you can, whether you want to believe it is entirely up to you.

We live in a post truth world we have our facts and they have theirs.

It is almost impossible to satisfy an opposing view anymore as any source will be treated as tainted.

It all comes down to whether you are searching for the truth or seeking to defend your position.

For me the evidence is abundant and compelling which, unfortunately, is moot as none of it will ever see the inside of a court.

 

[brianmoooore]

If it's all over the internet, it must be true!

 

[GBDamo]

If it's all over the internet, it must be true!

Which makes my point perfectly, thanks.

 

[brianmoooore]

It confirms my belief that there are certain people that should be kept well away from the internet! The problem is that it allows like minded people to communicate with others and allows them to feed of each other, amplifying and reinforcing ridiculous beliefs until they believe their own propaganda.
I have a brother in law who fits this perfectly.

 

[Darkwood]

What's Sullivan got to do with Antifa, BLM, or the left in general? He's a self confessed insurgent.

He is facing charges as part of the BLM from events of last year, I would take what he says with a very big pinch of salt, he isn't exactly a figure of truth, I relate him to the former mentioned groups because his social media communication were to these groups, I don't care if he says he is the messiah, all I know is he is definitely a naughty boy and the Key point is he was not a trump supporter which is where I was going with that as the media made out t was all trump supporters been violent.

 

[brianmoooore]

Yes, faces charges from a BLM event, and he faces charges from a Trump supporting event. I could say he's a Trump supporter masquerading as a supporter of, and infiltrating a BLM event.

 

[Darkwood]

Yes, faces charges from a BLM event, and he faces charges from a Trump supporting event. I could say he's a Trump supporter masquerading as a supporter of, and infiltrating a BLM event.

Yes you make a very good point, but he has form and his own family have give a lengthy extensive interview, his Brother James Sullivan who actually is very grounded explains the problems he has caused the family and he suspects he is mentally ill, he does his best to help his brother and pick up the mess he leaves and from all his discussions it is clear John Sullivan is Left wing ideology so we can forget that he might be a Trump supporter.. James Sullivan actually is a Trump fan ironically.

 

[brianmoooore]

He whipped up the crowd at a right wing protest. He whipped up the crowd at a left wing protest. He's neither left nor right, he claims to be an insurgent - someone who aims to bring down the government, any government.
I was a university student in the early '70s, and am no stranger to the odd protest march, demonstration, or sit in, and these people would try to infiltrate then, just as now.

 

[andyb]

There has been over 100 arrests with more to come, seems strange to pin the assertion of the riot being organized by antifa and BLM to one man with very tenuous links to BLM. This Washington Post article gives a broader view.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/16/sullivan-video-arrested/

Here’s another Washington post link to some of the others arrested. A quick search on the names will give you an idea of the instigators. affiliations.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2021/arrests-capitol-riot/