What has happened to the trade?

[baldyspark]

It seems that every time I check out the forum, so called qualified sparks are asking the most basic questions such as help my rcd is tripping, how do I test? Etc. So many chancers about nowadays who wouldnt know the first thing about fault finding and think Ra is a school subject. As for these courses that try to make an electrician in five weeks, they should be done for putting peoples lives at risk. Please mods take note, how come so many people disagree with the 5 week wonders yet this forum must agree as one sponsor actually provides this course?
Ill not even get started with all these domestic installers whove never even touched pyro, tray, contactors etc....

 

[HappyHippyDad]

I try and stay clear of non-electrical talk but this sort of thread does seem to do the rounds quite a bit. Electrical Trainee are useless, what a sad state of affairs electrics is in... and so on.

I'm not sure what this kind of talk really achieves, I realise that people need to let off steam and have a good old moan but it doesn't change anything. If you feel that strongly about it then write to your MP demanding change. Tell all your electrician friends to do the same and maybe even start up some kind of web page or facebook petition! If you dont feel that strongly then I guess we'll have few more of these threads.

I am a Domestic Installer, I do a good job, I follow the regulations (99% of the time, perhaps 98!) and I dont charge peanuts.

I was fed up with my main job (nurse) and I made a change at age 40 and it feels great. If you are not happy with the electrical industry then make a change in your life, its risky and scary but probably worth it. Perhaps a plumber? :wink5:

 

[baldyspark]

Sorry pal but what a load of tosh. Either someone is an electrician or they aren't in my eyes. This so called domestic installer rubbish is sadly a front for some people with limited skills and with no apprenticeship behind them. Obviously there are many good electricians working as 'domestic installers' for personal reasons but sadly too many chancers involved who not only put themselves in danger but also the general public.

 

[HappyHippyDad]

Sorry pal but what a load of tosh. Either someone is an electrician or they aren't in my eyes. This so called domestic installer rubbish is sadly a front for some people with limited skills and with no apprenticeship behind them. Obviously there are many good electricians working as 'domestic installers' for personal reasons but sadly too many chancers involved who not only put themselves in danger but also the general public.

So what do you plan to do about it?

 

[baldyspark]

Maybes become a nurse then I can ask the chancers why they didnt train properly as im looking after them. Wonder if theres a short course for nursing? I could even be a nurse but all I do is change beds. A bed sheet installer.

 

[HappyHippyDad]

Maybes become a nurse then I can ask the chancers why they didnt train properly as im looking after them. Wonder if theres a short course for nursing? I could even be a nurse but all I do is change beds. A bed sheet installer.

I was tempted to 'like' that post Baldy as it sounds good natured, but I just haven't a clue what it means! :smiley2:

Yes.... there is a short course for nursing!

 

[professional]

If that is the case I would inform the local education authority. They must have minimum criteria required for people working on their premises.

Any minimum criteria applies to the "enterprise" not the individual that does the work.

 

[sima24]

I think they could prevent most the problems by simply increasing the quals needed to join one of the schemes. Elecsa as a minimum you only need 17th edition, thats a 1 day course. I have not got a problem with part p, its elecsa, nic etc that are to blame as in my eyes they make it too easy for people to join them.
On the other hand a trained monkey could do most domestic tasks.

 

[dcelectrical]

I employ a Electrical Trainee and he is **** hot he has been with me for almost 2 years and I have completely reprogrammed him. I don't agree with short courses but I vaguely remember not learning too much at college either and I did the long course.

 

[guest119]

Tell all your electrician friends to do the same and maybe even start up some kind of web page or facebook petition!



Or maybe an ELECTRICIANS FORUM????


Boydy

 

[Des 56]

Here is food for thought

You never know,us older ones may start forgetting a lot of what we were taught,aghh

Could we become the future 5wws,this time with reversed polarity,we could even be hawked out before we get to become 1 dayers

 

[guest119]

I try and stay clear of non-electrical talk but this sort of thread does seem to do the rounds quite a bit. Electrical Trainee are useless, what a sad state of affairs electrics is in... and so on.

I'm not sure what this kind of talk really achieves, I realise that people need to let off steam and have a good old moan but it doesn't change anything. If you feel that strongly about it then write to your MP demanding change. Tell all your electrician friends to do the same and maybe even start up some kind of web page or facebook petition! If you dont feel that strongly then I guess we'll have few more of these threads.

I am a Domestic Installer, I do a good job, I follow the regulations (99% of the time, perhaps 98!) and I dont charge peanuts.

I was fed up with my main job (nurse) and I made a change at age 40 and it feels great. If you are not happy with the electrical industry then make a change in your life, its risky and scary but probably worth it. Perhaps a plumber? :wink5:

Like maybe ELECTRICIANS FORUM ?????????????
Like this one would be if all the fakes/imposters/sham scam boys were banned.
Then we could talk to each other properly without being disturbed by some a hole wanting to know why his rcd is tripping or why sockets mcb blows when there is a wallpaper stripper working in the room, geezzz, talk about dumb down ffs.
But then of course Dan wouldnt get the advertising revenue because his web hits would be down.


Boydy

 

[Hawkmoon]

Sorry to pee on your thread,but you have to blame the death rate caused by faulty electrical installations
It just isn't high enough for a sympathetic hearing

If it ever was to get a lot lot higher, then there would be possibility of action
Possible but not probable

Agree totally

Despite the best efforts of the incompetent, electrical installations are inherently safe enough that the numbers of fatalities etc is unlikely to increase - government and Nic etc will continue to endorse these 'quick qual courses' - the Electrical Trainee course providers are unfortunately not going out of business anytime soon.

:nonod:

 

[Sintra]

Like maybe ELECTRICIANS FORUM ?????????????
Like this one would be if all the fakes/imposters/sham scam boys were banned.
Then we could talk to each other properly without being disturbed by some a hole wanting to know why his rcd is tripping or why sockets mcb blows when there is a wallpaper stripper working in the room, geezzz, talk about dumb down ffs.
But then of course Dan wouldnt get the advertising revenue because his web hits would be down.


Boydy

That's why we have started the DIY section of the forum and members can choose wether or not to post in it. Nobody is held at gunpoint to reply to anything they don't want to.

 

[guest119]

In Northern Ireland there is no such thing as a Electrical Trainee wonder. Any person that wishes to become an electrician completes a proper 4 year apprenticeship. There is no easy way in through the door. Why can the same not apply to the rest of the uk? Obviously these short courses are backed by the government by way of this part p nonsense. Surely if an electrician had to be time served then this part p nonsense could be forgotten about.

Rest my case.

Boydy

 

[Guest55]

the diy section is a great addition to the forum.

the fact i wont step foot in there for 1 second is the best endorsement i can give ;-)