What inspection and test should be done when replacing a consumer unit.

[Guest123]

Sounds like the lunatics are running the asylum!!!

 

[bearlyable]

Right gents thanks for your continued input however I seem to have made it back to confusion and the dark merky unclear void that originally raised the question... let me lay my cards on the table....
I have 2382 I also have AEL D01 I do not class my self as an electrician I would say I am a domestic installer I require part P reg. scheme to progress in my career Prop .Maintenance.
Reading your replies things like PIR and full certs have been flung around Im sure none of you are ignorant, this just highlights how unclear all this is..
By example I wish to be assessed by the NICEIC for registration to their Domestic Installers scheme I believe to carry out a PIR i need to hold 2391 therefore I dont see a PIR being possible all I need to know is what to do to ensure I comply with the Law though I do have to step across the void of LABC as when I asked them they firstly stated that they don't know then they popped two figures out of the sky of how much it would cost for someone with 2391 to do the job and they then simply doubled it for someone without 2391..Ive already decided to op. for retro notification in the vague hope that I achieve registration with a approved body. My experience of inspection and testing is limited to say the least hence why I am seeking info on what I need to do. 2392 looks perfect but again its worth getting some more experience under my belt before I go for that and I can't gain experience until I get registered..........CONUNDRUM

 

[ezzzekiel]

ok then to make it is as simple as possible, buy a copy of guidence note 3 learn it back to front (very easy its not a big book) and then you can handle anything any assesor throws at you testing wise.

 

[flukey]

ok point taken. the reason that i mentioned it is because we carried out a PIR on an industrial premises and changed the 5no dist boards with in the installation. we issued EIC for these which included all the circuit details and test results and we also stated that it was the dist board change that we had carried out.

We then had an NICEIC insoection on it and were told not to do it again as we were in effect certificating the whole installation. he told us to issue PIR for the circuits and then an EIC for the work carried out.

trouble is, wvery inspector you see has s different point of view.

No offence meant.

cu change always has an eic. all circuits tested and cu change clearly marked on the cert. sounds like youve got a very strange nic inspector

 

[kung]

Right gents thanks for your continued input however I seem to have made it back to confusion and the dark merky unclear void that originally raised the question... let me lay my cards on the table....
I have 2382 I also have AEL D01 I do not class my self as an electrician I would say I am a domestic installer I require part P reg. scheme to progress in my career Prop .Maintenance.
Reading your replies things like PIR and full certs have been flung around Im sure none of you are ignorant, this just highlights how unclear all this is..
By example I wish to be assessed by the NICEIC for registration to their Domestic Installers scheme I believe to carry out a PIR i need to hold 2391 therefore I dont see a PIR being possible all I need to know is what to do to ensure I comply with the Law though I do have to step across the void of LABC as when I asked them they firstly stated that they don't know then they popped two figures out of the sky of how much it would cost for someone with 2391 to do the job and they then simply doubled it for someone without 2391..Ive already decided to op. for retro notification in the vague hope that I achieve registration with a approved body. My experience of inspection and testing is limited to say the least hence why I am seeking info on what I need to do. 2392 looks perfect but again its worth getting some more experience under my belt before I go for that and I can't gain experience until I get registered..........CONUNDRUM

Just a quick answer if you want to do lots of PIR's on domestics then it may be worth getting assessed and paying more money to NIC etc all you need do is prove competent ! just like the domestic installer assessment if any extra all you need is 2392 as this newish qual was designed for people wanting to test/inspect installations upto 100A ! for larger and more complex installations such as 3 ph you need the 2391. If however you only want to do a few PIR's you dont have to register them so just do the PIR and issue to customer BUT you do need exp of this as its your name on the PIR and just like everything if a person is injured/killed and you've said it was safe you might find you will be meeting the H & S Executive in court
Regards
Kung.

 

[Spudnik]

Noting the CU change on the cert is hopeless as most of the time they get lost etc.

This should be marked on the periodic test date label that should be fixed to the cu, stating "CU CHANGE ONLY" along with the relevant dates.

 

[Guest123]

I've got a copy of every cert I've ever issued. If anything were to happen then out comes the relevant cert and ...sorry love I only changed the CU, nothing else, look. What the customer does with their copy is up to them.

 

[bearlyable]

So thats that clear as mustard then Thank all

 

[baldsparkies]

So thats that clear as mustard then Thank all

Take heart the lads are expressing views they are not trying to confuse you. The comment I made on original posts regarding labc stand true, tried and tested.
Go for your board change near your assesment date, If you pass use your scheme provider ie nic to sign the job off. If not go through labc direct (But your going to pass so thats not a road you will need)
The 2391 is not a required certificate for your assesment, even if you have it the nic wont recognise it as proof of your competance to cover periodics. If you dont believe me just sign onto the nic website and try to order there pir certs as a domestic installer. You will need to be re assesed for pir's or become an approved installer simple as.
Thats why your first assesment won't be as bad as you think.
The Electrical Installation Certificates have three boxes marked New, An Addition, or An Alteration, That will cover the limits of your test along with Comments on existing Installation. As said by myself and others read guidance note 3 and do a bit of homework before your assesment, It really is not as bad as you think as long as you prepare. The assesors are there to help,they want you to pass,so take heart you will be fine

 

[bearlyable]

Thanks

 

[mikey12]

hi all interesting post could somebody please inform me where i can get guidance note 3 from many thanks in advance

 

[scotsparky]

Try Amazon.com or the EIT website.

 

[flukey]

I've got a copy of every cert I've ever issued. If anything were to happen then out comes the relevant cert and ...sorry love I only changed the CU, nothing else, look. What the customer does with their copy is up to them.

im with you lenny, all my certs are readily accessible should they be needed

 

[NoSparks]

ok then to make it is as simple as possible, buy a copy of guidence note 3 learn it back to front (very easy its not a big book) and then you can handle anything any assesor throws at you testing wise.

If only it were that easy! No, in both my 2391 and when I was inspected (and on my yearly re-inspection) what was really being inspected was my ability and confidence in doing the inspection. Its no good saying "yes I can do a figure of eight test" you will be expected to do it there and then without fumbling over which wires to join together or how to interpret the readings.

Gaining experiance is not difficult. First make sure you know the right order for doing test, Continuiety, loop test, insulation, functionality. And Stick to it. Do the insulation before the loop test and one day you will be sure to forget to remove the short between live and earth! then do a ring test at every socket in your house, several times if you want to. When your sick of it and not having to refer to the book any more, do it for a friend or neighbour.

Just one small point. Most rings will be wired in T&E and which earth is which is childs play. In my exam (on an official 2391 exam rig) we ere presented with a conduit with 2 Live, 2 Nutral and 2 earths. Make sure you know how to detect that you have coupled the cables togther properly.

 

[harrymonkfish]

Hi.

I will be taking my assessment soon with NIC. I have to complete two notifiable jobs. i have arranged a CU change at one address and some new sockets at another.

LABC informed me that I would have to pay twice for them to inspect as it is two different addresses.

Referring to comments made earlier on the thread suggesting that it would be OK to just carry out the work without notifying LABC and then certify as soon as I could.

Has anyone else gone down this route? Did it cause any problems during the NIC inspection?

It's about £140 for EACH LABC inspection.

SHOCKING!

Regards
Harry