What inspection and test should be done when replacing a consumer unit.

[kung]

Hi Harry
First thing you must understand is that for assessment for domestic installer you must provide 1 major and 1 minor ! your cu change takes care of the major and is notifiable and add a new socket not in a special location thus non notifiable and thats it just notify the cu change and not the new socket just do a minor cert for that ! But remember also the 2 jobs must be at differant addresses within 20mins traveling time.
Job done thats your 2 jobs for assessment and best of luck Harry.
Regards
Kung.
P.s. See the scheme operators requirements for assessment.

 

[flukey]

when i had my assessment i paid labc to sign it off and now wish i hadnt wasted my money
leave it til you pass and save the money

 

[Spudnik]

..leave it til you pass and save the money

Agree, although one needs to be VERY confident that one will pass.

 

[flukey]

Agree, although one needs to be VERY confident that one will pass.

hi jason,
i know what your saying but from my experience my labc inspector didnt even have an electrical background
everybody knows their strengths and weaknesses and if youve got any doubts in your ability to test an installation or answer some in depth questions then please ignore my last post.
if however you consider yourself a competent qualified electrician then stuff the system and prove them wrong
i only wish i had

 

[harrymonkfish]

Hi

Thanks for the input.

I don;t know if things have change but it is actually two notifiable jobs for assessment. From domestic installer application form notes:

'Sites for Assessment

The two installations you provide for your site assessment must be:

Notifiable works in accordance with Part P of the Building Regulations.
Works completed within the last twelve months by your organization (work completed by your business on your own, relatives or friends property is also acceptable).
Fully installed, inspected, tested and certificated.
Within thirty minutes traveling distance of each other.'


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Can anyone explain this from the application form?

Application and annual renewal fees are £425.50 inclusive of VAT.

Under that it has 'extension to scope fees:'

Domestic periodic inspection reporting/portable appliance testing £333.50

Building regulations scheme £333.50



Thanks
Harry

 

[flukey]

Hi

Thanks for the input.

I don;t know if things have change but it is actually two notifiable jobs for assessment. From domestic installer application form notes:

'Sites for Assessment

The two installations you provide for your site assessment must be:

Notifiable works in accordance with Part P of the Building Regulations.
Works completed within the last twelve months by your organization (work completed by your business on your own, relatives or friends property is also acceptable).
Fully installed, inspected, tested and certificated.
Within thirty minutes traveling distance of each other.'


*****************************************************

Can anyone explain this from the application form?

Application and annual renewal fees are £425.50 inclusive of VAT.

Under that it has 'extension to scope fees:'

Domestic periodic inspection reporting/portable appliance testing £333.50

Building regulations scheme £333.50



Thanks
Harry

domestic installer doesnt cover you to carry out periodic inspections under the banner of the nic so they charge this amount if you wish to have it as an add on to di

 

[tomasi]

It is a requirement by law to carry out any notifiable work in a domestic installation that you have to be
a member of a accredited body who assess your work,or if not you will have to notify the relevant L.B.C
before starting your notifiable work and the expected completion date.

When I applied for Part P with the ECA, i just carried out a few small jobs of not much worth
notified the local LBC before each job and paid up ,tested the jobs and used copies of the IEE certs from the regs.
The guy from the LBC just had a quick visual inspection looked at the certs and went on his merry way.
Got the impression from him that Part P was a bit of a headache for them as they couldn't cope with the demand.

After all this the ECA send you all the literature you will need to gain part p (except the regs and guidance notes)
you swat up and then show the inspector the same jobs and certs you had shown the LBC guy.

They did not require a 2391 qualification,just asked me if I had served an apprenticeship and had the 16th edition
qualification(now 17th edition).Asked a few random questions which I got the impression he wanted to answer himself.
As for the consumer unit change,used to be a rule if you change like for like and you were not putting something in
which lessened the safety you did not have to test the whole installation of course things move on.

 

[flukey]

As for the consumer unit change,used to be a rule if you change like for like and you were not putting something in
which lessened the safety you did not have to test the whole installation of course things move on.

you wouldnt be changing like for like though, unless they already have a dual rcd board

 

[mikeymoo]

Are you saying you dont need documentational evidence to say you've informed LABC? Just say you have informed them..

 

[flukey]

Are you saying you dont need documentational evidence to say you've informed LABC? Just say you have informed them..

i had the correcct building notice in place, but my assessor said its not a fail if you havent

 

[leonard290]

Bearlyable,
The 2391 is indeed worth passing and well recognised,however when you are assesed you will be asked to complete certain inspection and testing procedures to satisfy the assesor that you can (in this instance) report on your own work/installations. This will cover your Installation certificates, The 2391 along with experiance and to be fair the 2391 is aimed at experianced electricians. Shows a level of competance to progress to say a periodic inspection which takes you to another level, because now you are reporting on the condition and compliance of older installations which bring in far more complicating factors,hope this helps.

id do a pir on existing.then an installation cert. you dont have to be registered.aslong as you show the labc that you comply to the 16th regulation of 'the electricity at work act' 1989,you will be ok. it means 'are you competent' good luck. barry

 

[NoSparks]

id do a pir on existing.then an installation cert. you dont have to be registered.aslong as you show the labc that you comply to the 16th regulation of 'the electricity at work act' 1989,you will be ok. it means 'are you competent' good luck. barry

Sorry but I could not disagree with you more. Yes, you do a PIR prior to replacing the CU, this is for you own safety, so that you can advise the customer before work starts of any other work that will require fixing. The building regs do not list replacing the CU as a non-notifiable item (ie it must be notified) and must be undertaken by a competant person, and to become a competent person you need to be registered.

If your council accept an EIC from anybody who is not registered they are being very lax. Most of the councils round this area require to know your registration number before accepting the EIC and some will actually check with the registring body that the registration is valid.

Furthermore a PIR and an EIC have to be made against the current (17th Edition) regulations. None conformity with current regulations (especially where ther is complience with earlier regulations) is not a failure item but should be listed as a code 4 on a PIR, or in the comments on the existing installation in an EIC.

 

[flukey]

id do a pir on existing.then an installation cert. you dont have to be registered.aslong as you show the labc that you comply to the 16th regulation of 'the electricity at work act' 1989,you will be ok. it means 'are you competent' good luck. barry

 

[kung]

on my behalf !