What percentage of Sparks voted Brexit?

[telectrix]

do not think acedemic background comes into the equation here. it's all a matter of not being ruled by unelected bureau rats . we are an independant soveriegn state, and as such, should remain so, our laws, our borders should be ours, not angie meerkat's, nor some faceless unelected brussels rat.

 

[Midwest]

I was referring more of how it will impact on us good or bad. None one knows, is my point. It might be the best thing we done since joining the EU

 

[Darkwood]

@Midwest, what hypotheses do you talk about, can you be more specific, I have followed EU politics for over 2 decades, I have a lot of knowledge of their methods and working, there goals and there means to achieve said goals, I also have 2 decades of historical data I can cite to back my views up.
Why may I ask is having an Academic degree a must to give an informed response, in fact there is quite a lot of debate regarding our universities and colleges been biased, there are positions funded by the EU for professors who advice students, teachers etc on EU related subjects, when asked if they are biased one came back with the answer, 'no we promote open debate but any criticism of the EU often triggers and instinct to defend it' - (straight from the horses mouth!) They call these Jean Monnet Chairs and these are used to influence the teaching system and that of our academics and by their own admittance they tend to protect the block from criticism, this is often carried forward by the students themselves who soak this up and they themselves start to defend the EU from criticism too, this can be seen on many pro EU marches where legitimate questions are asks that show problems with the EU model and the responses are not intellectual but usually accusations of been racist or bigoted etc while never addressing the points made.
Erasmus+ - Jean Monnet - Chair - EACEA - European Commission - https://eacea.ec.europa.eu/erasmus-plus/actions/jean-monnet/jean-monnet-chairs_en.... this is one of the reasons so many students are Pro EU and why jobs positions that can effect and influence our relations with the EU are heavily invested in by the EU, my conclusion is having an academic degree is more a negative to answer these questions with a neutral view.
I would take an informed non academics viewpoint ahead of an academic when it comes to the EU any day.

Yes my post is somewhat my viewpoint based on my understanding but I have made the point that I understand people can have different views for many reasons, all I ask is when making wild statements and views at least give some context like I attempted to do to show my reasoning, simply saying people over 45 were been ignorant to the youth and their future is discrimination at most or just a very ignorant view point hence I expressed why I thought it was ignorant.

 

[The Ghost]

I do not consent. I will not comply

That is lawful insurrection. I applaud.

 

[Des 56]

How do you (Des 56 & darkwood) come to these Hypotheses. What academic background do you have?

None,what I posted is what I truly "believe" is the absolute and certain reality of the stupid decision to leave the EU

Whether I have a foundation in the intricacies of nation trading or not is irrelevant (even renowned economists who have studied the subject to very high levels,they have no consensus on the best course of action on any economic questions never mind the unknowns of Brexit)

Let me give you a unfounded reason to back up that belief

Start with the countries who are desperate to join (leave aside Turkey who have been found to be not worthy of the privilege) Serbia,Montenegro,Bosnia these are just 3 of the countries waiting in eager anticipation of joining the EU

There are 28 in the EU,27 of them will remain in the block
These 27 recognise that the EU for all or any faults is by far the best way forward for their peoples

In a world where virtually every country of every continent is forming or has formed a trading block,one country has had its voting public brainwashed into thinking it can go it alone
UK or more precisely the English majority who decide the role of the whole of the UK



The people on one side believed in lies and fake facts ,the broken world wide immigration policy of firstly the Labour party,then the Conservative party,it opened doors to the world which t was not the responsibility of the EU


Rather than leave the EU,I personally would have much preferred to have seen the UK break apart
It would have let the English nationalism tread its own lonely path in the big wide world

 

[Des 56]

@Midwest, all I ask is when making wild statements and views at least give some context like I attempted to do to show my reasoning, simply saying people over 45 were been ignorant to the youth and their future is discrimination at most or just a very ignorant view point hence I expressed why I thought it was ignorant.

The vote to leave the EU is not a vote on the immediate problem of peoples fear of immigration,it is a vote that will have its most important results in decade or more in the future

Anyone over 45 will have probably 20 years of their working lives left to negotiate,the effects of leaving will probably be felt most keenly after those years

Its the younger generation who will bear the brunt of the collapse of UK trade
These 45+ voters who made the decision for the young will no doubt shout and scream when the country cannot easily carry them into old age
Trade poverty may eventually bite the arse of those selfish voters who had no right to do what they did

 

[Midwest]

@Midwest, what hypotheses do you talk about, can you be more specific, I have followed EU politics for over 2 decades, I have a lot of knowledge of their methods and working, there goals and there means to achieve said goals, I also have 2 decades of historical data I can cite to back my views up.
Why may I ask is having an Academic degree a must to give an informed response, in fact there is quite a lot of debate regarding our universities and colleges been biased, there are positions funded by the EU for professors who advice students, teachers etc on EU related subjects, when asked if they are biased one came back with the answer, 'no we promote open debate but any criticism of the EU often triggers and instinct to defend it' - (straight from the horses mouth!) They call these Jean Monnet Chairs and these are used to influence the teaching system and that of our academics and by their own admittance they tend to protect the block from criticism, this is often carried forward by the students themselves who soak this up and they themselves start to defend the EU from criticism too, this can be seen on many pro EU marches where legitimate questions are asks that show problems with the EU model and the responses are not intellectual but usually accusations of been racist or bigoted etc while never addressing the points made.
Erasmus+ - Jean Monnet - Chair - EACEA - European Commission - https://eacea.ec.europa.eu/erasmus-plus/actions/jean-monnet/jean-monnet-chairs_en.... this is one of the reasons so many students are Pro EU and why jobs positions that can effect and influence our relations with the EU are heavily invested in by the EU, my conclusion is having an academic degree is more a negative to answer these questions with a neutral view.
I would take an informed non academics viewpoint ahead of an academic when it comes to the EU any day.

Yes my post is somewhat my viewpoint based on my understanding but I have made the point that I understand people can have different views for many reasons, all I ask is when making wild statements and views at least give some context like I attempted to do to show my reasoning, simply saying people over 45 were been ignorant to the youth and their future is discrimination at most or just a very ignorant view point hence I expressed why I thought it was ignorant.

You sound like my academic son, or perhaps like a politician. You lost me after your first paragraph, much like the rest of the leave or remain camps.

Honesty is sometimes difficult to acknowledge, especially to oneself. Both sides have had their arguments, but only the course of time will reveal the certainly.

 

[Dillb]

I cant be arsed to read 10 pages, but I voted remain, seen the first few posts saying people voted leave and would do so again. But even now you dont know what your getting when we finally leave, surely things arent that bad that you just want to leave regardless of the deal offered?

 

[Midwest]

None,what I posted is what I truly "believe" is the absolute and certain reality of the stupid decision to leave the EU

Whether I have a foundation in the intricacies of nation trading or not is irrelevant (even renowned economists who have studied the subject to very high levels,they have no consensus on the best course of action on any economic questions never mind the unknowns of Brexit)

Let me give you a unfounded reason to back up that belief

Start with the countries who are desperate to join (leave aside Turkey who have been found to be not worthy of the privilege) Serbia,Montenegro,Bosnia these are just 3 of the countries waiting in eager anticipation of joining the EU

There are 28 in the EU,27 of them will remain in the block
These 27 recognise that the EU for all or any faults is by far the best way forward for their peoples

In a world where virtually every country of every continent is forming or has formed a trading block,one country has had its voting public brainwashed into thinking it can go it alone
UK or more precisely the English majority who decide the role of the whole of the UK



The people on one side believed in lies and fake facts ,the broken world wide immigration policy of firstly the Labour party,then the Conservative party,it opened doors to the world which t was not the responsibility of the EU


Rather than leave the EU,I personally would have much preferred to have seen the UK break apart
It would have let the English nationalism tread its own lonely path in the big wide world

I can sort of sympathise with your views as I voted to remain.

But just because some people are waiting in a queue to join a club, doesn't actually make it the right decision to do so.

Can't agree on the UK breaking apart, but if thats what the majority want, thats democracy.

 

[Darkwood]

@Des 56

'The people on one side believed in lies and fake facts'

Please tell me I am reading this wrong or misinterpreting what you just said here?
Do you honestly think this is a one sided problem in that all the brexitieers were duped with lies and misinformation while the remain hold the high moral ground of having the correct facts and figures. IF this is the case then your ignorance is astronomical and you have a very deluded view of what really happened, I will be happy to give an extensive informed insight into why Brexit happened, what both sides of the campaign did and how they reasoned the public mind and trust , Brexit campaigners may not be angels here but the remain camp played even dirtier with there fearmongering, manipulation of data and also bringing in bodies to try manipulate the result who legally should be impartial and not politically motivated, this is forgetting the 10million spent a week before the official campaign started on a clearly biased leaflet campaign which in itself outstripped the spending cap on each bodies campaign.

 

[stuarth]

Anyone over 45 will have probably 20 years of their working lives left to negotiate,the effects of leaving will probably be felt most keenly after those years

If you believed "Project Fear 1" then its precisely this generation that will suffer the most.

Start with the countries who are desperate to join (leave aside Turkey who have been found to be not worthy of the privilege) Serbia,Montenegro,Bosnia these are just 3 of the countries waiting in eager anticipation of joining the EU

For poor countries joining the EU is a no brainer, we along with Germany will pay for the new countries infrastructure to be built/upgraded, pay to set up bodies to bring in all the regulations required to join the club. If the EU had stayed a trading block then we would not be having this conversation instead there has been a power grab (very successful) by a small group of career politicians that now are in power in varies guises and totally unaccountable to anyone.

In a world where virtually every country of every continent is forming or has formed a trading block,one country has had its voting public brainwashed into thinking it can go it alone
UK or more precisely the English majority who decide the role of the whole of the UK

Yes decided by a democratic vote, very important point that for some is difficult to except or recognise. Our biggest trading partner outside of the EU is the USA then there are the other 165 countries we can do trade deals with. The EU countries may not like us leaving but they do know that at some point they will be forced to do a deal for the sake of their own business that will suffer because of a political ideal, the fact that a remainer PM has made it possible to force a "Soft Brexit" has played into their hands which is why there has been so little progress and so much unpleasant shenanigans going on on both sides.

Rather than leave the EU,I personally would have much preferred to have seen the UK break apart
It would have let the English nationalism tread its own lonely path in the big wide world

This is a very sad and bitter thing to think let alone say, how would that be of benefit to anyone.

 

[MDJ]

I voted to stay in, but as we voted out lets just get out and stop flathing about, May has to go she has no power, get boris in and lets get out of the EU, then call a general election to get the Tories out.

 

[telectrix]

I voted to stay in, but as we voted out lets just get out and stop flathing about, May has to go she has no power, get boris in and lets get out of the EU, then call a general election to get the Tories out.

having a labour government would be disastrous, even worse than staying in the EU.

 

[Midwest]

having a labour government would be disastrous, even worse than staying in the EU.

Now why did you go and say that; this threads gonna go off in a tangent now

 

[MDJ]

Drag any old white fat men over 70 with right wing thoughts out into the street and throw tomatoes at them, this may save our youngsters from another 50 years of racism and hate lol, you got to love the old northern male mentality in this country, no one else in the world have them, they could invade anyone in the world and win by boring the pants off them accusing everyone of being benefit cheats and terrorists, god help us all pmsl, they call a spade a spade and a woman a slave lol, you just got to love em