what to suggest when no circuits have rcd protection

[Deleted member 26818]

Lol, that ESC just can't get anything right.
Just noticed this: "Absence of RCD protection for portable or mobile equipment that may reasonably be expected to be used outdoors"
I wonder which Regulation that relates to?

 

[Leesparkykent]

Lol, that ESC just can't get anything right.
Just noticed this: "Absence of RCD protection for portable or mobile equipment that may reasonably be expected to be used outdoors"
I wonder which Regulation that relates to?

411.3.3 says mobile equipment with a current rating not exceeding 32A for use outdoors.

Definition of mobile equipment (portable equipment (deprecated)). Electrical equipment which is moved while in operation or which can easily be moved from one place to another while connected to the supply.

So your carrying out an inspection on a premises and none of the socket circuits have additional protection by means of a 30mA RCD.....You look at the mobile equipment that's likely to be used outdoors like a jet wash, vacuum etc and non have an RCD plug top or not an RCD adaptor in sight so you speak to who ever is in charge or the person who uses the mobile equipment outside and they confirm your findings that the mobile equipment just gets plugged in to the socket with no additional protection.. What do you code this?

 

[westward10]

411.3.3 says mobile equipment with a current rating not exceeding 32A for use outdoors.

Definition of mobile equipment (portable equipment (deprecated)). Electrical equipment which is moved while in operation or which can easily be moved from one place to another while connected to the supply.

So your carrying out an inspection on a premises and none of the socket circuits have additional protection by means of a 30mA RCD.....You look at the mobile equipment that's likely to be used outdoors like a jet wash, vacuum etc and non have an RCD plug top or not an RCD adaptor in sight so you speak to who ever is in charge or the person who uses the mobile equipment outside and they confirm your findings that the mobile equipment just gets plugged in to the socket with no additional protection.. What do you code this?

He is just checking the ESC recommendations.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

That would be a code C2 as per BS7671 Regulation 411.3.3.
It would not be a code C2 as per some cobbled together regulation made up from a current and a 10 year odd old Regulation.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

As it happens, I do agree with most of the ESC recommendations.
What I don't like is when they make no recommendation for non RCD protected circuits of locations containing baths or showers, or when they make up these other so called regulations.

 

[Risteard]

I see you no longer have a reference to being registered with the NICEIC.

That's because the signatures have been removed as far as I am aware.

For the avoidance of doubt I am still an NICEIC Approved Contractor and a RECI Registered Electrical Contractor.

 

[Risteard]

Seems I am incorrect.
They do not recommend a code C2, no code at all.

It is specifically stated that anywhere where an RCD is now required for additional protection cannot attract no code. It must at a minimum be given a C3. This comes straight from BS7671.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

See, that's another problem with the NICEIC.
Don't like what BS7671 says, ignore it.

 

[The Ghost]

Anyway regs aside our job is to keep people safe. I and the OP merely asked for opinions on class codes on RCD's of not just one person but hopefully a more rounded fuller contribution on this matter. We need to communicate to the client any area we consider could be improved. The codes are one means of doing this. Hence the hope of pragmatic discussion as opposed to sniping at contributors. Clearly this is a grey area that needs some more definition/guidance. I do not wish to guide a client toward needless work but to a safer place to work or live in. All opinions welcomed! I want intelligent discussion on this matter not vacuous LOL blah blah blah. I see your not NICEIC, that is plainly not helping the Discussion to go forward.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

No I'm not, I'm IET and JIB, though how that prevents a discussion from moving forward, I don't know.
Still you have Risteard who can discuss how the IET want a minimum code C3, but the NICEIC, no code at all.

 

[Risteard]

the NICEIC, no code at all.

I am quite certain that they have never suggested any such thing.