What's the answer to this problem?

[Percyprod]

There's been a few posts on here recently regarding poor workmanship on installations. Some have said it should be illegal for anyone other than a qualified and registered electrician to carry out wiring and testing. While I agree with this to a certain extent, how would it be enforced? Anyone can buy the gear for a wiring job, so you would have to stop it being sold to the general public., Which would upset a lot of shops! Plus, of course a lot of the poor work is carried out by qualified and registered electricians. More checking? If I rewire my house, whether it's a good or a bad job, no one would know, unless something went wrong, which of course it may. If I then sold the house, a certificate may be needed, which I wouldn't have. No problem, get a test done (is it a rice?), or drop the price to allow for a rewire. I'd be interested in any thoughts.

 

[Octopus]

I have a customer doing "battle" with a NICEIC contractor .......

They said they didn't need to do a certificate because of the recently installed new fuseboard ...........

Eventually they provided 1 MWC, despite making changes to 3 circuits ............... and introducing a fault into one of them

the battle continues......

The NICEIC have been "unhelpful" to say the least.

 

[Wilko]

I have a customer doing "battle" with a NICEIC contractor .......

They said they didn't need to do a certificate because of the recently installed new fuseboard ...........

Eventually they provided 1 MWC, despite making changes to 3 circuits ............... and introducing a fault into one of them

the battle continues......

The NICEIC have been "unhelpful" to say the least.

Hopefully the NIC record complaints and use them as a guide to renewal (?). At least. They can't enjoy having rogues on board and have their reputation at stake, I'd have thought.

 

[Pete999]

The only time the electrics in a house seams to be checked is when a house is being sold and the morgage company or buyer ask for an inspection which does not happen in every case and if the seller does not have circtification for any work done they can just pay a indemnity insurance , so one way to help would be to make is compulsory that you have to have a valid eic or eicr and a gas cert before you sell the house, ok it will not solve the proble mbut at least it would be a start , after all would you buy a car with no MOT

I woulkd if the car in question did not need an MOT under 3 years old.

 

[Octopus]

Hopefully the NIC record complaints and use them as a guide to renewal (?). At least. They can't enjoy having rogues on board and have their reputation at stake, I'd have thought.

ha ha ha ha

you can't be serious!

 

[Andy78]

I think this is the NICEIC's official position on rogue traders on their books

 

[Midwest]

I don't know what you lot are banging on about, there is already legislation in place to ensure electrical installation work (England & Wales) is carried out in a domestic property, and make sure that the work is designed and installed to protect people from fire and electric shocks,............Part P. Failure to comply, can result in an unlimited fine at Magistrates Court.

Its ultimately the home owners responsibility to ensure the Building Regs are complied with. Granted the policing of this particular building regulation, seems to be an unmitigated failure.

Someone mentioned an 'MOT test' for a domestic property; look at the procedures in place for policing vehicle MOT's, and can't see that as a starter (excuse the pun).

 

[Octopus]

Part P is irrelevant.

Making changes in domestic properties should meet the design, installation, testing and certification as laid down in BS 7671

These folls don't even make sure their so called competent members do this.

 

[Pete999]

Part P is irrelevant.

Making changes in domestic properties should meet the design, installation, testing and certification as laid down in BS 7671

These folls don't even make sure their so called competent members do this.

Deleted to contraversial, Not you Murdoch

 

[Octopus]

Deleted to contraversial, Not you Murdoch

Send it to me on a pm .....

 

[Squid]

Weren't homes going to have an "MOT" then the idea got canned, called HIP's

 

[Percyprod]

Yes the legislation is there, but not used. When did you last see some one in court for an illegal wiring installation? System is too easy to work round.

 

[PEG]

A system already exists,to enable the competence of an individual,to be assessed...it's called a "ducking stool"...but out of all the "trials by ordeal",my personal favourite,is "trial by cake"

 

[Octopus]

^^ shouldn’t that be by trial of biscuit ..... ?

 

[stevels4]

On watch dog last night they were claiming that the people who fit the smart meters were doing checks and identifying dangerous situations ,i think all they do is plug in a socket tester, maybe if you don't have a current eicr or eic you have to have an eicr before the smart meter is fitted.

My procedure is to test for correct polarity at the cut out,meter and CU then a socket test for the same and earth presence. A visual check is also carried out and cut out/ meter tails upgraded to 25mm as required. An isolator (this becomes the boundary point between Mocopa and BS7671) is fitted where the meter to CU tails are for example considered underrated or VIR.
The customer is then issued with a warning notice listing the defects and recommending that a qualified electrician is sought to rectify the defects present.

 

[Percyprod]

I assume you are authorised to carry out this work? Doesn't come under bs7671