Why bother with Part P ?

[bwm730]

Had a call from a customer who wanted a couple of extra sockets installed in her kitchen. Explained to her over the phone that these would need RCD protecting,etc and she informed me that she had a new consumer unit installed 18 months ago when a disabled bathroom was installed downstairs. Went there this morning and inspected the consumer unit and noticed there was no bonding to the Gas or Water. Asked her who installed it and she explained that the Bathroom was installed by a Council sub-contractor ( she had a grant from the council towards the cost ) who subbed the electrical work to a local electrician. She hadn't received any electrical certificates but had received a completion of works certificate for the bathroom from Building Control. Upon reading the BC schedule it stated an NICEIC cert was required for the electrical work. Spoke to the local NICEIC electrician and asked him why no bonding had been installed, his reply was that is wasn't on his schedule of works. Politely informed him that it was a requirement of the current regs , especially if a new CU was installed and he then replied that he couldn't remember this job.
So basically the customer has paid for the complete job, building control has signed it off, no certificates and no bonding. Part P strikes again. Why do i bother renewing my membership every year ?

 

[Guitarist]

Maintenance to me generally means ''Fault Finding'', ....Sod that, these guy's have trouble with simple installations!! Letting them loose on fault finding and you really are pushing the boat out too far!! lol!! :!blank: mg_smile:

I have to agree there. I spent years training in industrial fault-finding, so not a problem, but I've lost track of the number of times a customer has said to me "we had another electrician out, but he said he didn't have a clue why it was tripping out". Most of the wire-pullers I follow don't have a clue how to apply fault-finding techniques.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

The whole issue with Part P is thatthey like taking out money and inspecting us once per year but as soon as a customer complains they won't get involved.

The schemes acting on such shoddy work would make their positions rather more positive IF they did, but they don't.

I wonder how many aren't now renewing now Part P has changed???

i know loads of people installin that are not part P registered.....and have no intention of doing so...
but the amount of folk going round carrying out works (notifyable or not) who have no real knowledge of what requirements are and regs etc is startling to say the least....

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Looking at the relaxed Part P as to what is notifiable, you could operate as a 'Domestic Maintenance Electrician' ( ! ) quite legally, without having to sign your life away.

Really?

last year for me then.

 

[Octopus]

Looking at the relaxed Part P as to what is notifiable, you could operate as a 'Domestic Maintenance Electrician' ( ! ) quite legally, without having to sign your life away.

As long as you don't want to do rewires, CU changes, new circuits or work in bathrooms.

 

[Guitarist]

As long as you don't want to do rewires, CU changes, new circuits or work in bathrooms.

Or you could advertise as a Handyman/plumber/builder doing electrical work. That way you can do everything and just pretend Part P, training and qualifications don't exist. That's what seems to happen a lot where I live anyway...

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Or you could advertise as a Handyman/plumber/builder doing electrical work. That way you can do everything and just pretend Part P, training and qualifications don't exist. That's what seems to happen a lot where I live anyway...

or you could just do a 5 week course....
then you can pretend your an electrician...

 

[Guitarist]

or you could just do a 5 week course....
then you can pretend your an electrician...

That's 5 weeks more than the handyman...

 

[Paul505]

At my assessment last month I asked the guy this very question. He said that membership is increasing faster than predicted.... No wonder I keep seeing new vans in my area. There is definitely a lot less work about for me now than there was last year.

Im not surprised that membership is increasing.... you can become a domestic installer in about 4 weeks from scratch

 

[sparkdog]

I keep finding gas meters with no bonding and the invariable reply is"Well,its an new meter fitted by the Gas Board so it should be alright."

 

[GLENNSPARK]

That's 5 weeks more than the handyman...

still a `little knowlege can be dangerous` scenareo though isn`t it...
i honestly dont see a difference

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I keep finding gas meters with no bonding and the invariable reply is"Well,its an new meter fitted by the Gas Board so it should be alright."

no understanding of whats required as regards inspections then before any new work is carried out

 

[telectrix]

doesn't surprise me. came across a job where the gas main came in through a sinle storey attic above a utility room. BG took a 10mm from the MET, up into this attic, then instead of clamping it within 600mm of the point of entry, they chucked it outside and draped it 15ft.down and across the outside wall to the external meter. not even a clip in sight.

 

[SPARTYKUS]

I keep finding gas meters with no bonding and the invariable reply is"Well,its an new meter fitted by the Gas Board so it should be alright."

Me too. Latest one 3 doors away

 

[telectrix]

can't understand it, surely all the BG guys have passed the part p qualification , alongside the sales training. :24:

 

[wersolaruk]

I have one for you, completed a 4kw solar install, went to check bonding, gas was there but no main water bond, the stop cock was in a little boiler room full of copper pipe within touching distance, rang contractor who completed the rewire a month earlier and said because the incoming pipe into the house was plastic it was not required! Wtf! Is copper which is a conductor and could become live! Sparky came back after I explained the situation. 50 year old bloke who has been trading 25 years! Joke