Wi fi/ internet upgrade

[brianmoooore]

Need to upgrade the wi fi/internet stuff at my place. I thought that there was a dedicated forum for this kind of stuff, but it seems I'm mistaken, so I'll stick it in the general forum, where I hope it'll be seen (or ridiculed) by some of our more knowledgeable members on the subject.
The pic attached shows what I already have in black, and my ideas for the additions in orange.
Originally a router in the loft was fed by a microwave link, but that was replaced a few years ago by a BT fibre optic cable, optical interface, and a standard BT wi fi router.
Initial questions:
a) The 41m length of data cable , between the old and the new, goes outdoors, so will be polypropylene.
It includes an 8m overhead section between two buildings. Do you think that this will be OK self supporting, with BT type steel wire spiral things wound onto each end for anchorage, or should it be cable tied to a catenary wire?
b) Any suggestions for the three ceiling mounted wifi routers? Don't need to be anything special - just for normal domestic phone stuff and smart TVs, and can all have the same password, sharing it with the existing external router.
c) Network switch C is close to a power source, so is there a type that can supply POE to the three routers? Power isn't immediately handy to network switch B, so can that be replaced and powered by POE from switch C?
d) That brings me to the 3 cameras I would like to add, where my knowledge is even more sparse. These will all be external cameras, with IR illuminators.
Do the two on the right just plug into the network switch, or is it more complicated than that?
Similarly, does the one outside the loft just plug into network switch A, via a POE injector?
The recorder and monitor will be near one of the two hard wired TVs. Will the camera signals find their way there, and how do they connect into the shared cable?

That'll d for a start, until someone tells me it'll all work as described or I haven't got a clue. Thanks in advance.

 

[PS Electrics]

Need to upgrade the wi fi/internet stuff at my place. I thought that there was a dedicated forum for this kind of stuff, but it seems I'm mistaken, so I'll stick it in the general forum, where I hope it'll be seen (or ridiculed) by some of our more knowledgeable members on the subject.
The pic attached shows what I already have in black, and my ideas for the additions in orange.
Originally a router in the loft was fed by a microwave link, but that was replaced a few years ago by a BT fibre optic cable, optical interface, and a standard BT wi fi router.
Initial questions:
a) The 41m length of data cable , between the old and the new, goes outdoors, so will be polypropylene.
It includes an 8m overhead section between two buildings. Do you think that this will be OK self supporting, with BT type steel wire spiral things wound onto each end for anchorage, or should it be cable tied to a catenary wire?
b) Any suggestions for the three ceiling mounted wifi routers? Don't need to be anything special - just for normal domestic phone stuff and smart TVs, and can all have the same password, sharing it with the existing external router.
c) Network switch C is close to a power source, so is there a type that can supply POE to the three routers?

Power isn't immediately handy to network switch B, so can that be replaced and powered by POE from switch C?

No but it can be powered from an upstream switch though so that would be Switch A Switch B would need to be a POE pass through switch.

d) That brings me to the 3 cameras I would like to add, where my knowledge is even more sparse. These will all be external cameras, with IR illuminators.
Do the two on the right just plug into the network switch, or is it more complicated than that?
Similarly, does the one outside the loft just plug into network switch A, via a POE injector?
The recorder and monitor will be near one of the two hard wired TVs. Will the camera signals find their way there, and how do they connect into the shared cable?

That'll d for a start, until someone tells me it'll all work as described or I haven't got a clue. Thanks in advance.

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Best not to daisy chain switches, you don't state the bandwidth of the switches you have but what I would recommend is you buy a new backbone switch for switch A, switch B and switch C should then connect to Switch A.

 

[James]

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Have a look at this thread, everything I listed is relevant to you.

 

[plugsandsparks]

Apart from the BT supplied router, are all the other routers just wifi access points ?

Also what does DC mean on the drawing.

Happy to share stuff i have used that would do the job, save you having the pain of whats what

 

[brianmoooore]

Apart from the BT supplied router, are all the other routers just wifi access points ?

Also what does DC mean on the drawing.

Happy to share stuff i have used that would do the job, save you having the pain of whats what

I'm afraid I have an almost total mental block when it comes to tech stuff. The routers, apart from the BT one, are just wi fi transmitters and receivers - is that what's meant by access point? No equipment will need to be connected to them by cable.
'DC' on the drawing refers to DC power feeds from adjacent PSUs.
If you could recommend actual makes and models of bits that I need, preferably stuff that isn't too expensive and is easy to set up, I would be more than grateful.

 

[brianmoooore]

No but it can be powered from an upstream switch though so that would be Switch A Switch B would need to be a POE pass through switch.



Best not to daisy chain switches, you don't state the bandwidth of the switches you have but what I would recommend is you buy a new backbone switch for switch A, switch B and switch C should then connect to Switch A.

Switch A can rearranged so that it feeds the TVs and the existing internal router, so switch B can then be plugged straight into one of the BT router LAN sockets, but switch C will still need to be daisy chained through B, since there's no way the 41m orange cable can be routed back to the bunch of stuff in the loft.
A POE injector and PSU could be fitted in the loft to power B. There's power available at C, so it doesn't really need to feed POE onto C.

 

[brianmoooore]

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Have a look at this thread, everything I listed is relevant to you.

This is the thread that inspired me to start looking at this upgrade. The U6 is the type of thing I'm thinking of, but I really don't need anything that sophisticated or expensive. They're just for holiday cottage guests to use their phones, tablets and smart TVs.
No doubt the dream machine pro is an excellent bit of kit, but again, far more sophisticated than I need, and I'd never be able to set it up.

 

[PS Electrics]

Switch A can rearranged so that it feeds the TVs and the existing internal router, so switch B can then be plugged straight into one of the BT router LAN sockets, but switch C will still need to be daisy chained through B, since there's no way the 41m orange cable can be routed back to the bunch of stuff in the loft.

I figured that might be the case. The reason I suggested it was of course if you lose Switch B you lose Switch C as well and performance wise it would be better.

 

[plugsandsparks]

NETGEAR GS108LP ProSAFE FlexPoE Unmanaged PoE+ 8 Port Gigabit Switch

NETGEAR GS108LP ProSAFE FlexPoE 8-Port Unmanaged Gigabit PoE+ Switch (60W) - Available at Comms Express, Networking Reseller - Free Next Day Delivery

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Replace switch A with above. Plug one cable from BT router into it and all other connections go to this switch.
If the POE camera can reach the loft, plug that into this new switch

Replace SWitch C with same product as above:
Use these for Wireless access

Ubiquiti UAP-AC-PRO UniFi UAP AC Pro Access Point | Comms Express

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Plug all access points and cameras into it.

If switch B is working and the wifi, then perhaps leave alone, otherwise below is a POE switch which can be powered by the ubiquiti P++ injector connected to switch C

Ubiquiti USW-FLEX 5-Port PoE Gigabit Switch for Indoor/Outdoor Use | Comms Express

Ubiquiti USW-Flex UniFi 5-Port Layer 2 Managed Desktop Gigabit PoE Switch (46W) - Available at Comms Express, Networking Reseller - Free Next Day Delivery

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104M could be a stretch for the access point off switch B, if so use a local injector to power it.

There are other ways of doing all this but this is the most straight forward solution using low cost components, i can think of.

Main thing to look out for is the POE power budget, there is a limit per port and an overall switch power budget, so you need to add up the cameras, PTZs use more than simple fixed cameras

Only product i have not used is the POE powered switch, as its a Ubiquiti product, along with the Wifi access points i would set them all up on the bench over a coffee as Ubiquiti uses an app to configure the access points and switches. Its reasonably straightforward as you create a project them all access points can be configured with the same config.