Wiring 2 lighting circuits using one 6 terminal junction box

[gutterball]

The best thing to do if your not sure of a circuit is to draw it out as westward has done. I find it helps to see it set out on paper.
As for your lecturer not being not helping enough get him to go over it until you understand. if you are struggling the rest of your class will probably be the same.

 

[Paul Langham]

The best thing to do if your not sure of a circuit is to draw it out as westward has done. I find it helps to see it set out on paper.
As for your lecturer not being not helping enough get him to go over it until you understand. if you are struggling the rest of your class will probably be the same.

Thanks mate, yeah I know a few probably are struggling TBF, he makes nothing clear, I'm thinking about putting a complaint in to the college

 

[Paul Langham]

TBH with you all, I suffer with PTSD and get stressed really easily, I had to walk out of the practical session last Thursday because I just couldn't get my head around it, but that's why I enrolled on the course, I am trying so hard for the PTSD to get the better of me anymore, thanks for all your help guys !

 

[Paul Langham]

Excuse my poor drawing. I have connected the first switch and put the line supply into the second can you see where the switch return now goes.View attachment 45633

Hi Westward i think i have cracked it now, and think i know why there is the need for a connector block, to join switch live to light live on 2nd light, thank you for your diagram, it really helped !

 

[westward10]

You shouldn't need any block connectors with the six terminals you have.

 

[Andy78]

A description of the joint box might help. Is it the round hard plastic type with brass screw terminals ? Or is it the MF type with pre labelled terminals ?

 

[Octopus]

5 terminals :

Pl
Sl1
Sl2
N
CPC

 

[Paul Langham]

You shouldn't need any block connectors with the six terminals you have.

But there is only two SL terminals in the JB, enough for one switch

5 terminals :

Pl
Sl1
Sl2
N
CPC

Would this work ?

 

[Andy78]

Right, it looks like you are using a Hager J501.
This raises questions like ..... why is your college teaching you to use junction boxes when unnecessary connections should be avoided on new installations, and why is your college teaching you to use equipment/methods not suited for purpose ? If you have to use extra connections jammed in there it's the wrong kit or the wrong wiring method.

 

[westward10]

That isn't a six terminal junction box as previously stated it is four terminal and not suited to the task.

 

[Paul Langham]

My sentiments exactly, but this is how the piece of work he used as an example was wired, I think I need to have a word with the college about this, being shown non standard practice can't be good can it, thanks for your comments

 

[Paul Langham]

My sentiments exactly, but this is how the piece of work he used as an example was wired, I think I need to have a word with the college about this, being shown non standard practice can't be good can it, thanks for your comments

 

[Paul Langham]

Do

That isn't a six terminal junction box as previously stated it is four terminal and not suited to the task.

Do you have a example of a six terminal JB please ?

 

[Paul Langham]

Do

Do you have a example of a six terminal JB please ?

What you would use for this type of wiring ?

 

[davesparks]

Do

Do you have a example of a six terminal JB please ?

This is what most of us would think of when you say 6 terminal junction box, though I think far fewer of us would use them these days.
20 Amp 6 Terminal Junction Box - Brown - https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/ASJ601.html?source=adwords&ad_position=1o2&source=adwords&ad_id=45425533757&placement=&kw=&network=s&matchtype=&ad_type=pla&product_id=ASJ601&product_partition_id=174048886147&version=finalurl_v3&gclid=CjwKCAiA5qTfBRAoEiwAwQy-6SR-qut7tysnJ5e4dWacnA-tIUbd0gjdaEU_AU6txgOMwYdTNKT-LBoCLw0QAvD_BwE

 

[Andy78]

Do

Do you have a example of a six terminal JB please ?

https://cpc.farnell.com/click/wa078...1CcwGwpXACpChhMl3u5L_8RMvVkf-13hoCUw0QAvD_BwE

For this to be compliant with regulations it would have to be fixed, strain relief provided for the cables, and be accessible.

You also have the option of something like a Wagobox using Wago connectors for a more flexible system with integral strain relief and MF suitability.

 

[westward10]

If your tutor is suggesting that joint box to connect what is required then something is clearly amiss with his methods.

 

[Pete999]

I could if you wish take you to a site in Bath, South down to be exact, where 600 plus council houses were rewire in the early 1970s and to my knowledge have not been touched where a 7 way JB was used cable restraint all OK termination far better than all this Wago box carp, JBs fixed to a platform under the floor accessible if you cared to look, installed by Proper Tradesmen, who cared about pride in their work, OK it probably wont meet today's Mamby Pamby methods, but it has lasted, just saying, waiting for comments and cries of you old Firt get with the program etc etc.