Wiring of two cu

[Suz]

Hi all, take it easy as first post on here. I have recently completed my eal domestic installers course and 2382 17th edition. I am renovated my large four bedroom home and plan to rewire the house.

I have had an isolation switch fitted by the DNO so I can start the work safely. The kitchen will be having two ovens, induction hob, micro needs to be on its own circuit and large amount of lighting and other ciriuits going on in house. Due to this and to future proof, I am planning to install two cu. Two 10 way split Rcd, directly next to each other in the garage. I currently have 25mm tails from the meter into my isolating switch and then directly into my cu. There appears to be enough room in the isolating switch to double up the tails. Is this acceptable instead of a Henly block.

Is it sufficient to then have Dno isolating switch and then a main switch in each CU.

Many Thanks in advance

Suz

 

[KAS1]

It was obvious the direction this thread was going and how it would end..........Graded/time served V Electrical Trainee again ..............

 

[Andy78]

Re reading my message it does come across as a sweeping generalisation and that was not my intent, so apologies for the wording of my message - i didn't mean to imply that all time served sparks are unprofessional - in all occupations whether deemed competent or not there will always be those who are unprofessional and don't follow through on what they say they will do.

What i tried to get across rather ham fistedly was that before the professional time served electricians attack the Electrical Trainee lot and training companies they should take a look at those who are time served and competent but who by their lack of professionalism are fostering the perception that ever increasing numbers of electricians are needed as nobody can ever get work done on time

I hope that clarifies my comments

Paul

The Electrical Trainee lot that show competance and professionalism actually do get help and guidance on here. The ones that display the opposite get short shrift.

The training companies rightly get all they deserve. They deliver courses that have at best 20% of the content of a full course at twice the price, promise customers unrealistic salary goals, and seem to offer little in the way of support.

The sparks that don't call people back ? No idea, but there is always a reason.
Who is to say that all these people you talked to who never got called back were ringing time served sparks and not 5WWs ? You have no idea whatsoever, so your comments were not only badly worded but completely baseless.

 

[Adam W]

It seems the single most common piece of advice given here (apart from to get an electrician in) is to 'walk away'.
If someone wants to concern themselves with trying to get people's American-bought appliances to work here, figure out a way of turning all the lights off when they leave the house or try to do a complete rewire after the decorators have been in and the laminate floor laid down then that's up to them. Personally I wouldn't go anywhere near that kind of job because it sounds to much of an embuggerence, but it's just common courtesy to tell the customer you can't/won't do it.

The other one is when you can tell when a customer will just get on your nerves so you don't want to work for them. Being self-employed you can pick and choose your customers, but they might see it as 'the customer is always right', you have some kind of legal obligation to attend, and having taken the trouble to call you gives them the right to throw their weight around.
When someone starts moaning that "electricians don't turn up" you have to read between the lines - 4 different electricians didn't want to do the job so it must mean there's a shortage of 'good' electricians?

 

[markc123]

At the end of day none of us have an entitlement to "our" jobs and if the work these people carry out is as poor as everyone claims then they won't be in business long enough for you to worry about them, will they?

If only it was that simple. However, joe-public don't know a decent install from a shyte one.

Just because it works doesn't mean its safe... and untill joe public realise that (probably never) then these people will no-doubt be in business for athe foreseeable future.

 

[Adam W]

If only it was that simple. However, joe-public don't know a decent install from a shyte one.

Just because it works doesn't mean its safe... and untill joe public realise that (probably never) then these people will no-doubt be in business for athe foreseeable future.

In that case Joe/Josephine Public need to base their opinion on something other than technical knowledge. Usually price, but sometimes punctuality, tidiness or personal hygiene.

 

[Silly Sausage]

If one is neither a Time-served nor a Electrical Trainee electrician, but gained an electrical qualification from elsewhere, then started working as a Tech on Chemical plants without any previous experience...how would one be judged?

 

[snowhead]

If one is neither a Time-served nor a Electrical Trainee electrician, but gained an electrical qualification from elsewhere, then started working as a Tech on Chemical plants without any previous experience...how would one be judged?

By the size of the explosion created..or not..

 

[Guest55]

If one is neither a Time-served nor a Electrical Trainee electrician, but gained an electrical qualification from elsewhere, then started working as a Tech on Chemical plants without any previous experience...how would one be judged?

damn those chemical plant instr. tech's , theyre the worst.
he'd be judged a right ----er....
;-)

 

[diabalo]

Hi Joe public here. Sorry to bump this if you all feel its dead in the water but I found it interesting to witness the low level of esteem in which SOME apparently elite members of the trade regard us customers. (Note the "SOME", avoiding sweeping over-generalizations). Some of us are quite discerning and actually quite knowledgeable. My basic criterion for choosing an electrician (most trades) is personal recommendation and where possible a look at the quality of the work done and the price charged. From a customer perspective what makes the difference is not route to qualification or length of experience but the whole package. Whether I have technical knowledge or not some sort of respect for me as a customer is vital. If you find that difficult, can't be bothered with the nicities, find us irritating and prefer to pick and choose that's absolutely fine. It's a two-way street.

 

[Stroppy]

I think what get's the "elite's" backs up, is when customers come on here asking how to do things themselves, to do us out of work because its cheaper, and those who have employed an electrician and then want ammunition to argue with him - in other words employ an expert then try to tell him how to do his job.

I'm sure most tradesmen have a level of respect for their customers, but if they get argumentative or try to rip them off, that respect will evaporate. Respect requires respect!

 

[Andy78]

Hi Joe public here. Sorry to bump this if you all feel its dead in the water but I found it interesting to witness the low level of esteem in which SOME apparently elite members of the trade regard us customers. (Note the "SOME", avoiding sweeping over-generalizations). Some of us are quite discerning and actually quite knowledgeable. My basic criterion for choosing an electrician (most trades) is personal recommendation and where possible a look at the quality of the work done and the price charged. From a customer perspective what makes the difference is not route to qualification or length of experience but the whole package. Whether I have technical knowledge or not some sort of respect for me as a customer is vital. If you find that difficult, can't be bothered with the nicities, find us irritating and prefer to pick and choose that's absolutely fine. It's a two-way street.

You are exactly what a professional electrician wants, a professional customer with a bit of knowledge so things can be explained and a healthy attitude to doing business.

You are not the only category of customer unfortunately and with me personally it's a get what you give thing. Some customers will test you to the limit and treat you like your time and money are of little consequence. Some want everything for nothing and done yesterday. Most are fine to deal with, some a pleasure. But self employed people reserve the right to choose their jobs as they see fit, just as a pub landlord may refuse entry to anyone and not give a reason. You are going about finding tradesmen the right way, through recommendation, and you should continue to do so.

The method by which someone has qualified can be of little importance, but their level of experience they have can be. The short route to qualification can throw people with no experience whatsoever into peoples houses, and you will find that is why that particular system gets berated from time to time on this forum.

 

[diabalo]

Excellent points all thanks Stroppy and Andy78 for restoring the balance and increasing confidence.

 

[telectrix]

if you were in my catchement area and wanted work doing, you would be treated with respect ( if i'm sober, that is . LOL. ). seriously, though, as above posts, some customers try and screw the price down, moan all the time, and then have the audacity to delay or withhold payment.

 

[KAS1]

What gets my back up is so called electricians who go to a job, the first sign of a small problem they're straight on their smart phones hiding in a corner no doubt away from the customer and asking people on here to give them a step by step guide how to do the job they have be called to do, if only the customer could see what they are typing on their phones, I bet they tell the customer they're just doing a calculation or checked stock at the wholesaler lol

 

[Stroppy]

Normally if I'm on site hiding with my phone I am ordering a curry for supper on the way home!