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TPN switchfuse bolted onto a busbar chamber. Bottom half (supply terminals) live and covered by the manufacturer fitted shield. Cables to be connected to the top load terminals. Some sparks i know would happily work on the top terminals even though the enclosure houses live, albiet shielded terminals.............opinions?

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Im sure there are many guys who've worked in live boards and enclosures ect, we've all done it to some extent. Im not inferring anyone is wrong or right. I was merely questioning the validity of doing so when we consider EAWR, namely the paragraph that Andy copied and pasted. Its a little bit of a grey area in terms of how close is close to live terminals. What we must also consider is the individual situation, i.e working in a TPN switchfuse with live incoming terminals could be very different to a domestic CU in terms of PFC PSSC ect. Also, manufactueres instructions stating boards or switches are suitable for drawing in cables whilst the board is live would be evidence of equipments suitability to do so.

I would suggest certainly some of the things on the thread that sparks have done have certainly contravened EAWR, i.e attaching mccb's onto a live busbar because the owner of the factory didnt want you to knock power off. My personal view is that there are very very few circumstances where it is unreasonable to isolate the supply hence this should be done to preserve someone's safety over inconvenience.
 
Further to the domestic board example. How do you carry out your ze if you absolutely must not work live ever? Especially when you can't pull the fuse due to the DNO tag. I for one am guilty of being possibly too comfortable with live boards. Think nothing of installing new mcb's in live TPN db's. Everything is to ip2x so no stray fingers should be able to touch anything live.
When I did my FICA to get my approved ticket, you had to put a plastic sheet up over the db and any exposed metal work before doing a Ze, don't we all do that on every job???
 
You call yourself “Industryspark”, what industry allows you to shut everything down to connect in to a perfectly safe switch? You wouldn’t last long on any of the plants I’ve worked on.
 
When I did my FICA to get my approved ticket, you had to put a plastic sheet up over the db and any exposed metal work before doing a Ze, don't we all do that on every job???

Ha ha nut!

was that cambuslang you done your FICA? I done mine around nine years ago and there were was none of that going on. Would hedge my bets and say that no one out with the training and test centres would go to this extreme.

"Hang on lad's I'll get ma sheet oot!"
 
Im sure there are many guys who've worked in live boards and enclosures ect, we've all done it to some extent. Im not inferring anyone is wrong or right. I was merely questioning the validity of doing so when we consider EAWR, namely the paragraph that Andy copied and pasted. Its a little bit of a grey area in terms of how close is close to live terminals. What we must also consider is the individual situation, i.e working in a TPN switchfuse with live incoming terminals could be very different to a domestic CU in terms of PFC PSSC ect. Also, manufactueres instructions stating boards or switches are suitable for drawing in cables whilst the board is live would be evidence of equipments suitability to do so.

I would suggest certainly some of the things on the thread that sparks have done have certainly contravened EAWR, i.e attaching mccb's onto a live busbar because the owner of the factory didnt want you to knock power off. My personal view is that there are very very few circumstances where it is unreasonable to isolate the supply hence this should be done to preserve someone's safety over inconvenience.
Industryspark that is where I have to disagree, there are not many factories that will allow you to shut down an entire place just to fit a moulded case circuit breaker.
 
Ha ha nut!

was that cambuslang you done your FICA? I done mine around nine years ago and there were was none of that going on. Would hedge my bets and say that no one out with the training and test centres would go to this extreme.

"Hang on lad's I'll get ma sheet oot!"
Yeah Cambuslang. Thing is they'll fail you if you don't put it up. Or at least not let you continue!!
 
GMES

Totally agree, there probably aren't many factories that will allow you to shut down a DB to fit a new mccb, id question whether they were being reasonable though and whether they could claim that they were within the EAWR's should anything happen.

Regards
 
GMES

Totally agree, there probably aren't many factories that will allow you to shut down a DB to fit a new mccb, id question whether they were being reasonable though and whether they could claim that they were within the EAWR's should anything happen.

Regards
Are you self employed or with a firm!
 

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