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[Spudnik]

Right chaps,

Due to a few unavoidable issues, we have lost the original thread and pics etc.

Sorry about that!!!

So, if you want to re-upload your pics then great, if not, give us something new!


Cheers!!

 

[Billythekid]

And further to the debate that has gone on, please let's not confuse the subject for the op! We all know that E54 is correct in that a continuous metatarsal containment system does not require a seperate cpc.......... However!, in the words of E54 ("if it was one of my projects it would be done..............")

As everyone is quick to point out, if its in the spec or if the engineer demands it then it must be done that way. Well on this occasion the spec set by the college and C&G calls for seperate cpc's so seperate cpc's is what the op has installed.

I suspect the reason they do it this way is so that they can teach 6 wire Rfc's and metal containment at the same time.

Spoilsport:49:

 

[Engineer54]

][/B]And for the general arguement about installing a separate cpc inside the already earthed CU, I just wanted to say that is an ACOP .. NOT compulsory as everyone knows but it can be used against you in the court of law "JUST IN CASE" something did actually go wrong.

Absolute Rubbish!!

You'll have far more chance of the Separate CPC's failing, than the metal containment system. Along with more chance of failing compliance on conduit fill ratio's. ....lol!!

Next you'll be telling us to run T&E cables in metal containment systems...

 

[Outspoken]

E54, I am curious, your tag states your in China, and I appreciate that may or may not be the case, but have you actually seen the quality of sparks being turned out in the UK these days, have you see the so called quality of their tube work and trunking...seriously I have seen conduit work so bad i would be tempted to ask them to a put an earth tag across each and every flipping joint to be sure. I appreciate we cannot tar all with the same brush but JTL and the 5WWW providers have a lot to answer for and perhaps this helps to explain why some designers/engineers are spec'ing cpc's in metal containment systems.

 

[Engineer54]

E54, I am curious, your tag states your in China, and I appreciate that may or may not be the case, but have you actually seen the quality of sparks being turned out in the UK these days, have you see the so called quality of their tube work and trunking...seriously I have seen conduit work so bad i would be tempted to ask them to a put an earth tag across each and every flipping joint to be sure. I appreciate we cannot tar all with the same brush but JTL and the 5WWW providers have a lot to answer for and perhaps this helps to explain why some designers/engineers are spec'ing cpc's in metal containment systems.

Oh believe me, on this i'm fully behind you!!

No, i haven't seen the inside of a decent sized project in the UK for some years now, but even that was an eye opener. And it was a full metal containment installation, on a steel framed building of some size!! Basically it was a large well known commercial shopping centre.


Yes i am in China, this is my second project over here, and probably on the last project of my career. Time will tell if i'm going to miss the daily challenges. lol!! I doubt very much if i'd ever contemplate working in any role in the UK again, for the very reasons you give above. It seems the electrical industry has been fragmented and de-skilled to a level/point that it'll never recover from. I don't particularly want to see, or be any part of that, i prefer to remember our industry as it once was, ...a highly respected and proud industry!!

 

[Knobhead]

It seems the electrical industry has been fragmented and de-skilled to a level/point that it'll never recover from. I don't particularly want to see, or be any part of that, i prefer to remember our industry as it once was, ...a highly respected and proud industry!!

Never a truer thing said. It depresses me to see the way things have gone.

No original thinking seems to go on now. Repairing things? Needs a new one is the stock answer.

 

[Silly Sausage]

Well big boys, Tony and E54 etc, if you're that passionate about it, why don't you start hassling the people who are perpetrating all this rubbish.

Whinging away on an Internet forum will get you now where.
I don't know the answer,but I'm sure there is one.

Tony, you're retired now, start lobbying or something (I don't know!), with Wifi you can do it from the pub.

 

[ipf]

Well big boys, Tony and E54 etc, if you're that passionate about it, why don't you start hassling the people who are perpetrating all this rubbish.

Whinging away on an Internet forum will get you now where.
I don't know the answer,but I'm sure there is one.

Tony, you're retired now, start lobbying or something (I don't know!), with Wifi you can do it from the pub.

One way street mate, no way back IMO....but, we'll see in the future when things turn really sour. Being proved correct isn't always that satisfying, I feel.

 

[Knobhead]

One of my PC's is in the pub, what do I need WiFi for?

 

[Engineer54]

Well big boys, Tony and E54 etc, if you're that passionate about it, why don't you start hassling the people who are perpetrating all this rubbish.

Whinging away on an Internet forum will get you now where.
I don't know the answer,but I'm sure there is one.

Tony, you're retired now, start lobbying or something (I don't know!), with Wifi you can do it from the pub.

Your the bloody fools that allowed the demise of the Industry, so why don't YOU and the others working in the industry in the UK, get off your arses and do something about it??

 

[Tsakitsan]

Absolute Rubbish!!

You'll have far more chance of the Separate CPC's failing, than the metal containment system. Along with more chance of failing compliance on conduit fill ratio's. ....lol!!

Next you'll be telling us to run T&E cables in metal containment systems...

Thank you :blush2: but what will I tell you next is out of your prediction range-ability! I am unpredictable :winkiss:

 

[Spudnik]

Can we keep this thread on topic please.

Ta.

 

[Outspoken]

Well big boys, Tony and E54 etc, if you're that passionate about it, why don't you start hassling the people who are perpetrating all this rubbish.

Whinging away on an Internet forum will get you now where.
I don't know the answer,but I'm sure there is one.

Tony, you're retired now, start lobbying or something (I don't know!), with Wifi you can do it from the pub.

Archy, valid area of discussion, more than happy to participate, but it really needs it's own thread as it will seriously derail this thread more than we already have, I would suggest the Pub but I cannot see or post in there.

 

[pennywise]

Search around there are plenty of threads on it, or that have become it

 

[Knobhead]

Search around there are plenty of threads on it, or that have become it

This one developed quite well, with a few frayed tempers along the way http://www.electriciansforums.net/e...67808-eca-esc-announce-major-partnership.html

 

[onions1066]

Domestic board swap done this afternoon not a great photo done by phone. Well that's my excuse anyway.

 

[Thefailsafe2012]

Domestic board swap done this afternoon not a great photo done by phone. Well that's my excuse anyway. View attachment 19120

Beautiful job mate, love a nice tidy board!

 

[onions1066]

These jobs are being done on a price, this board was part of an upgrade on a property, if I told you the price for changing this board it would bring a tear to your eye. I does mine uke:

 

[linuxthefish]

Someone seems to have gone over the top with the asbestos labels at work...

 

[Engineer54]

Someone that must be fightened of his own shadow springs to my mind!!

 

[somersetsparks]

Absolute Rubbish!!

You'll have far more chance of the Separate CPC's failing, than the metal containment system. Along with more chance of failing compliance on conduit fill ratio's. ....lol!!

Next you'll be telling us to run T&E cables in metal containment systems...

I have always thought you would see a lot more metal conduit/trunking systems were most people not running in unnecessary cpc's. 25% less cable, smaller trunking/conduit runs etc. Then along comes mr. 'just in case' who decides to start speccing Cpc's in tube and it becomes un-cost effective. So now, to keep costs down, instead of proper all metallic conduit systems we have twin in basket. - brilliant!
The prophecy is entirely self-fulfilling - sparks don't do as much conduit and are less quick at it, costs of conduit etc. rises as less is used, cost of T+E and basket falls as more is used. and suddenly conduit becomes a rarity.

Which is safer in the end. - An entirely metal conduit installation with no cpc's. Or hundreds of twins with single strand cpc's strung around in basket?