poor workmanship

Guest55 · Dec 24, 2014

davesparks said:
Not always, but if incorrect comments are made I will say something about it.

I'll show respect to those people who have earned or deserve it, and people like you I will continue to show contempt for.

lol , i couldnt care less what you think of me , but you wont catch me talking to another 3k member like a piece of crap like you just did.

Geordie Spark · Dec 24, 2014

davesparks said:
Buy a torch

He's got one but it needs a new battery and since spending his last shekels on a new camera last week he can't afford it.

davesparks · Dec 24, 2014

biff55 said:
lol , i couldnt care less what you think of me , but you wont catch me talking to another 3k member like a piece of crap like you just did.

Being a 3K member is merely a measure of post quantity, not the quality or indeed the knowledge or experience of the member.

Leesparkykent · Dec 24, 2014

I'll get gunned down for this! but the niceic don't like you using the black as neutral they want you to use grey as neutral to get away from the old colours. I've always used grey sleeved blue as neutral as I think this is best practice this way. And unfortunately being a niceic approved contractor I've got to follow the rules of this scam lol.

Guest55 · Dec 24, 2014

davesparks said:
Being a 3K member is merely a measure of post quantity, not the quality or indeed the knowledge or experience of the member.

No , buts its usually a good indicator that theyve at least put some time and effort into the forum regardless of their experience.

you seem the type who thinks they know everything and needs to get the last word in any debate so i'll leave ya to your rants.

davesparks · Dec 24, 2014

biff55 said:
No , buts its usually a good indicator that theyve at least put some time and effort into the forum regardless of their experience.

you seem the type who thinks they know everything and needs to get the last word in any debate so i'll leave ya to your rants.

Know everything? Nope not me, but unlike some I try to limit my advice to topics that I am confident in my knowledge of.
Perhaps if more people would realise the limits of their own knowledge and stop posting their wild guesses and half baked ideas this forum would be a bit better.

I have just heard that I am required to work tomorrow, so my mood is improving now that I have a means to escape the sheer hell that is Christmas.

TJ Anderson · Dec 24, 2014

biff55 said:
No , buts its usually a good indicator that theyve at least put some time and effort into the forum regardless of their experience.

you seem the type who thinks they know everything and needs to get the last word in any debate so i'll leave ya to your rants.

To be honest, reading his posts over the last few months, I'd say that davesparks does seem to be one of the most knowledgeable "real world" working sparks on here, with a very expansive knowledge base.

davesparks · Dec 24, 2014

TJ Anderson said:
To be honest, reading his posts over the last few months, I'd say that davesparks does seem to be one of the most knowledgeable "real world" working sparks on here, with a very expansive knowledge base.

I'm not, there are far more knowledgeable people on here. But i do know my limits and try to stay within them when posting.

ipf · Dec 25, 2014

Leesparkykent said:
I'll get gunned down for this! but the niceic don't like you using the black as neutral they want you to use grey as neutral to get away from the old colours. I've always used grey sleeved blue as neutral as I think this is best practice this way. And unfortunately being a niceic approved contractor I've got to follow the rules of this scam lol.

Not taking a shot at you....but I've been in the NIC for a bloody long time and things have changed. As far as I'm concerned, I follow my own RULES and interpret 7671 from knowlege aquired and official data available. With any scheme providing company the only true RULES to be followed are compliance with 7671, where possible and payment of yearly fees.....

Guest77 · Dec 25, 2014

TJ Anderson said:
To be honest, reading his posts over the last few months, I'd say that davesparks does seem to be one of the most knowledgeable "real world" working sparks on here, with a very expansive knowledge base.

He is very knowlegeable without any doubt at all, a good guy and a very good electrician, it would be nice to see a bit of a personality come out of him as well though, Merry Christmas Dave :biggrin:

Guest77 · Dec 25, 2014

davesparks said:
Says who? Where does this 'supposed to' come from?
You can use whatever colour you like as long as it is correctly marked by either colour or alphanumeric marking at each termination.

There is however a strong convention to use the same cores of a three core as were used prior to the change and it is best practice to follow this convention.

Says the NICEIC, joking aside I can see the argument for not using a black as a neutral, okay regarding sleeving most of us would sleeve a black core with an appropriately banded colour should it be used for a neutral, I think the rumour regarding avoiding black as a neutral came about after harmonisation as a way of trying to avoid a potential mix up with a black which is now a phase colour, I was far happier with Red Yellow Blue myself, as black is now a phase colour avoiding using a black core as a neutral common sence really.

telectrix · Dec 25, 2014

since when has common sense been a consideration when changing the colours to these ridiculous neutral "colours"? black and grey have never been colours. they're monochromic. and brown is borderline.

JD6400 · Dec 25, 2014

Well here goes !!!!

I tag black as neutral and grey as earth and all of our blokes are told to do so whilst on any of our jobs .
There I have done it now , you know my dirty little secret !
And as to date I have not been given a reason , why it is worthy of a change in doing so .:tank:
Black = neutral more than grey does .

ipf · Dec 25, 2014

[ElectriciansForums.net] poor workmanship

Well, we all know what happens, though......hehe.

Guest77 · Dec 25, 2014

JD6400 said:
Well here goes !!!!

I tag black as neutral and grey as earth and all of our blokes are told to do so whilst on any of our jobs .
There I have done it now , you know my dirty little secret !
And as to date I have not been given a reason , why it is worthy of a change in doing so .:tank:
Black = neutral more than grey does .

Well if you are told to do it then you are not responsible for doing so, should you be under my supervision, well I would dismiss you without notice :biggrin:

JD6400 · Dec 25, 2014

MDJ said:
Well if you are told to do it then you are not responsible for doing so, should you be under my supervision, well I would dismiss you without notice :biggrin:

Why Mike , can you give me any reason apart from personal preference ?

telectrix · Dec 25, 2014

if the core is flagged with blue sleeve, i can't see a problem. however it has become the norm to use grey ( sleeved blue) for neutral and black ( sleeved gn/y) for cpc/earth. what if using multicore flex where all cores are black (maybe with a gn/y)? a convention with numbered cores is to ise odd nos. for Lives and even nos. for N's, but this is not always followed.

Guest77 · Dec 25, 2014

JD6400 said:
Why Mike , can you give me any reason apart from personal preference ?

Just yanking your chain mate, a bit of fun :biggrin:

JD6400 · Dec 25, 2014

I know Mike , I was going to include in my reply , that it is a bloody good job that I am probably unemployable anyway !

telectrix · Dec 25, 2014

ipf said:
View attachment 27325

Well, we all know what happens, though......hehe.

that's terrible. drill dust left in backbox. single screw fixing, wonder what the trade's coming to.

markc123 · Dec 25, 2014

MDJ said:
He is very knowlegeable without any doubt at all, a good guy and a very good electrician, it would be nice to see a bit of a personality come out of him as well though, Merry Christmas Dave :biggrin:

Davesparks don't leave him hanging, sounds like Mike's got the mistletoe out.

davesparks · Dec 25, 2014

JD6400 said:
Well here goes !!!!

I tag black as neutral and grey as earth and all of our blokes are told to do so whilst on any of our jobs .
There I have done it now , you know my dirty little secret !
And as to date I have not been given a reason , why it is worthy of a change in doing so .:tank:
Black = neutral more than grey does .

Do you join blue to black and yellow to grey when extending an existing 3 core cable too?

The logic behind this is quite simple

Core 1 which was previously red is now brown and gets used for Live
Core 2 which was previously yellow is now black and gets used for earth
Core 3 which was previously blue is now grey and gets used for neutral.

JD6400 · Dec 25, 2014

Dave I can see your logic with that .
But being as well when the powers that be decided to alter the colours they neglected to issue a reg dictating how we should interpret ( I have yet to find one ) and subsequently use them , I went this way .

My way of thinking was Live is primary , Neutral is secondary and Earth is last .

With numbered multi-core , sequentially the Lives are first then Neutral followed by Earth being last , and any spare after that then being tagged down to Earth as well .

For 2 way I expect to see brown at the top in common , then black in way 1 with grey in way 2 .

On a side note , when it comes to any connections , unless already marked I go with live first then earth in the middle , with neutral last . This way if either connection should pull out / melt they have more chance of earthing out first .

This has been raised with me before , but as I say I am yet to hear a good reason why not to continue with what is now the pattern in our installs and has been since the change .

markc123 · Dec 25, 2014

JD6400 said:
Dave I can see your logic with that .
But being as well when the powers that be decided to alter the colours they neglected to issue a reg dictating how we should interpret ( I have yet to find one ) and subsequently use them , I went this way .

My way of thinking was Live is primary , Neutral is secondary and Earth is last .

With numbered multi-core , sequentially the Lives are first then Neutral followed by Earth being last , and any spare after that then being tagged down to Earth as well .

For 2 way I expect to see brown at the top in common , then black in way 1 with grey in way 2 .

On a side note , when it comes to any connections , unless already marked I go with live first then earth in the middle , with neutral last . This way if either connection should pull out / melt they have more chance of earthing out first .

This has been raised with me before , but as I say I am yet to hear a good reason why not to continue with what is now the pattern in our installs and has been since the change .

There isn't a direct reg but it is mentioned in Appendix 7 of the BGB.

JD6400 · Dec 25, 2014

I shall take a look , I may have a new years resolution coming up !

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