no earth on lighting r1+r2 what do you put on sheet

buzzlightyear · Sep 29, 2016

just one on question which dave has coding recommendations

westward10 · Sep 29, 2016

buzzlightyear said:
just one on question which dave has coding recommendations

See Post 12 on this thread.

telectrix · Sep 30, 2016

IMO, It's a C3 for no cpc if all class II fittings. C2 if classI fittings.

Taylortwocities · Sep 30, 2016

Agree. Also there should be a limitation note on the report, and a notice posted at the CU

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buzzlightyear · Sep 30, 2016

what about metal back boxes

telectrix · Sep 30, 2016

buzzlightyear said:
what about metal back boxes

if you refer to switch boxes, they were not exposed and the plate fixing screws were either plastic or the back box had nylon screw lugs.

buzzlightyear · Sep 30, 2016

if no plastic lugs on. no cpc then it is a code 2

telectrix · Sep 30, 2016

buzzlightyear said:
if no plastic lugs on. no cpc then it is a code 2

agreed.

buzzlightyear · Sep 30, 2016

and one more question the wise one. no cpc on cu no cpc on accessories. no eath fault impedance n/a on that test cert yes

Taylortwocities · Sep 30, 2016

Yes. And C3 on those circuits with text explaining the reason. Providing no metal/class I fittings.

PS. It's not a certificate. It's a report.

buzzlightyear · Sep 30, 2016

another wise one .when in stalling a new cu with rcd and no cpc on lighting . you should not install it
yes

Taylortwocities · Sep 30, 2016

You can install it but Needs agreement of client.
Read chapter 10 here
http://www.----------------------------/mediafile/100423440/Best-Practice-Guide-1-Issue-3-.pdf

Gnasher · Sep 30, 2016

It does not state that you can do it with the clients agreement.

It states that you need to try and get the client to agree to either rewiring the lighting circuits or the addition of a CPC installed to all accessible points. If the client refuses this then a fall back would be to offer to replace all class 1 accessories with class 2 or the circuits can not be reconnected if this is also refused then.

AS AN ABSOLUTE LAST RESORT then a risk assessment should be carried out with the additional tests listed. If any of the additional test fail then thoes lighting circuits can not be re connected.

On completion a record of any non compliances must be made in the comments box

I would also add the risk assessments carried out with the results, this may require an additional sheet of paper attached to your report documenting the chain of events and the clients refusal to carry out remidal works and the additional risk assessment tests and results.

I would have thought that this senario would be down to replacing the CU due to damage or fault as if the client refused to renew the circuits at the same time as a CU upgrade you would probably walk away as alarm bell would start to ring.

At the end of the day as you are the technically competent person offering advice you carry the can and can not rely on a defence that the client was happy for me to do it.

buzzlightyear · Sep 30, 2016

you write what you are saying . got a call out to job where their was a fault no cpc any where
metal back boxes and plastic fronts in some rooms. and in others rooms not one back box just the plate screwed to the wall
told the owner rewire of lights . she was more concerned about her bloody alarm .I asked her the alarm was fitted by a spark she said
no bonding gas or water I then walked away

buzzlightyear · Sep 30, 2016

you are write . any cu I fit no cpc on lights ( no can do man ) savy

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