Dodgy trade pictures for your amusement! - 1 Million Views! | Page 117 | on ElectriciansForums
Guest viewing is limited

Dodgy trade pictures for your amusement! - 1 Million Views!

Post new thread

Discuss Dodgy trade pictures for your amusement! - 1 Million Views! in the UK Electrical Forum area at ElectriciansForums.net

D

Darkwood

Right ... Just been nudged to set this up by Paul.M and sounds a good idea following recent threads I've done in the Arms..

Rules....No Offensive material... edit if required before posting as this is the public arena.
Anything to do with the trade or in and around it ...H&S pic's welcome.

[ElectriciansForums.net] Dodgy trade pictures for your amusement! - 1 Million Views!

I've posted this a few times and this is at a mates house following a kitchen refirb several yrs ago. :eek:mg_smile:

[ElectriciansForums.net] Dodgy trade pictures for your amusement! - 1 Million Views!
 
Sort by date Sort by votes
dksanders said:
Did an EICR of 4 static caravans, this was the CU in one of them
Note the 63A MCB for the lights! and the 32A for the radial 1 gang socket (Extra Point).
Previous inspection done by NICEIC
View attachment 42926
Click to expand...
That figures, you mean a NICEIC registered Electrician I presume?
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
anthonybragg said:
It astounds me what I see sometimes I know we're here to earn a living and make money but we are supposed to be a professional trade.
Click to expand...
I think most Trades are supposed to be professional Ant, the main problem is amateurs doing work that they have no right to do, or "qualified" people attempting to do stuff they have no idea of what they are up to.
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
Lights
dksanders said:
Did an EICR of 4 static caravans, this was the CU in one of them
Note the 63A MCB for the lights! and the 32A for the radial 1 gang socket (Extra Point).
Previous inspection done by NICEIC
View attachment 42926
Click to expand...
Lights is clearly wrong should be Max 16a, but what's wrong with the socket? 32a would be fine even in 1.5mm cable for a single socket within reasonable distance etc wouldn't it?
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
Hi - 'fraid not :) .
You won't get 32A rating from 1.5 or 2.5 conductors. Likely it should've been a 16A mcb. You are right that perhaps a single socket should not be loaded that highly, but it could be loaded higher than the cable and less than the mcb => fire risk. What they're doing with the power circuit in the bathroom is intriguing ...
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
Wilko said:
a single socket should not be loaded that highly, but it could be loaded higher than the cable and less than the mcb => fire risk.
Click to expand...
you guys might have to bring it down to my level as I'm not a pro:p

My thinking is single socket max load would be 13A (assuming no "special" fuse in the plug), 1.5mm cable depending on installation method could be up to 20A. How could the cable be overloaded?
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
dksanders said:
Did an EICR of 4 static caravans, this was the CU in one of them
Note the 63A MCB for the lights! and the 32A for the radial 1 gang socket (Extra Point).
[/ATTACH]
Click to expand...
With the lights taking 63A they will need to uprate their RCD, it could be overloaded!!;)

johnduffell said:
you guys might have to bring it down to my level as I'm not a pro:p
My thinking is single socket max load would be 13A (assuming no "special" fuse in the plug), 1.5mm cable depending on installation method could be up to 20A. How could the cable be overloaded?
Click to expand...
The cpc csa of 1mm² may not be large enough to handle the fault current; the omission of overload protection is not one that should be applied lightly and is generally not really necessary in domestic situations and certainly not in this case.
16A limitation for lighting is only with BC or ES lampholders, which might well be in place here.
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
johnduffell said:
My thinking is single socket max load would be 13A (assuming no "special" fuse in the plug), 1.5mm cable depending on installation method could be up to 20A. How could the cable be overloaded?
Click to expand...
Again correct, but only with clipped direct. Installed in a mobile home 16A likely for 1.5mm. Anyway, from a design perspective, Reg 433.1.1 (ii) says protective device current setting (In) must be < = the conductor current carrying capacity (Iz). This ensures the device operates before the conductors overheat and damage the cable.
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
thanks Richard and Wilko
Richard Burns said:
The cpc csa of 1mm² may not be large enough to handle the fault current
Click to expand...
agree, I have been caught before by that one, if the Zs is high enough would be fine, but I specifically mentioned overload.
Richard Burns said:
omission of overload protection is not one that should be applied lightly and is generally not really necessary in domestic situations
Click to expand...
It happens every time you install an unfused spur I thought? Also commonly used for showers where the shower rating is lower than the cable rating, but there is no MCB available between the two.
I agree that on a new circuit you wouldn't do it, but when doing an EICR you have to look at what's already there and know if and why it doesn't comply, rather than just say it's not what you'd do. That's the side I struggle with and would like to understand.
Wilko said:
Anyway, from a design perspective, Reg 433.1.1 (ii) says protective device current setting (In) must be < = the conductor current carrying capacity (Iz).
Click to expand...
true but only where the OPD is necessary: 433.3.1 (ii) allows the overload protective device to be omitted completely in this case (load not liekly to carry overcurrent)
 
Upvote 0 Downvote
Wilko said:
Hi - 'fraid not :) .
You won't get 32A rating from 1.5 or 2.5 conductors. Likely it should've been a 16A mcb. You are right that perhaps a single socket should not be loaded that highly, but it could be loaded higher than the cable and less than the mcb => fire risk. What they're doing with the power circuit in the bathroom is intriguing ...
Click to expand...

That was for a wall mounted fan heater which was correctly positioned regarding zones.
 
Upvote 0 Downvote

Reply to Dodgy trade pictures for your amusement! - 1 Million Views! in the UK Electrical Forum area at ElectriciansForums.net

Recommended Sponsor News

Quickwire Now Sponsor ElectriciansForums.net

I am sure you will join me in welcoming our newest sponsors of ElectriciansForums.net - Quickwire! They have decided to join us after seeing you guys discussing their products here. Now we have an expert on board that you can chat to @Quickwire-Sam who will be happy to answer your queries!

[ElectriciansForums.net] Quickwire Now Sponsor ElectriciansForums.net


@Quickwire-Sam said "At Quickwire, we're all about speed, safety, and reliability. We're a family-run business, and every Quickwire connector is proudly made right here in the UK, ensuring noticeable quality. In short, Quickwire is the fastest connection method on the market. Whether you're an experienced electrician or a DIY enthusiast, Quickwire makes electrical connections ridiculously quick and easy. We're passionate about blending British craftsmanship with innovation. If you have any questions or if there's any way we can help, please just ask me!"

Exclusive Forum Offer! Free euro 2024 wall chart for first 10 responses!

Hi everyone,

We have 10 exclusive Uheat EURO 2024 Wallcharts to giveaway for Electricians Forum Members! The first 10 people to reply YES to this thread - I will message and get them sent out to you just in time for this years tournament! GO GO GO

PCBWay Now Sponsor ElectriciansForums.net!!

I hope you will all join me in welcoming our newest sponsor to the forum PCBWay! You can contact their friendly people by sending a message to @PCBWay who will be happy to answer your queries.

Welcome to the community and thanks for your sponsorship!

[ElectriciansForums.net] PCBWay Now Sponsor ElectriciansForums.net!!

PCBWay provides services including PCB Prototype and batch Production, PCB Assembly (SMT), 3D Printing, CNC Machining, PCB Design, Electronics Modules Selling, etc. We are committed to meeting the needs of global makers from different industries in terms of quality, delivery, cost-effectiveness, and any other demanding requests in electronics.

[ElectriciansForums.net] PCBWay Now Sponsor ElectriciansForums.net!!

OFFICIAL SPONSORS

Electrical Goods - Electrical Tools - Brand Names Electrician Courses Green Electrical Goods PCB Way Electrical Goods - Electrical Tools - Brand Names Pushfit Wire Connectors Electric Underfloor Heating Electrician Courses
These Official Forum Sponsors May Provide Discounts to Regular Forum Members - If you would like to sponsor us then CLICK HERE and post a thread with who you are, and we'll send you some stats etc

YOUR Unread Posts

Thread starter

Email
Joined
Time zone
Last seen

Thread Information

Title
Dodgy trade pictures for your amusement! - 1 Million Views!
Prefix
N/A
Forum
UK Electrical Forum
Start date
Last reply date
Replies
8K
Unsolved
--

Thread Tags

Tags
around attach dodgy pictures posted thread trade
This website was designed, optimised and is hosted by untold.media Operating under the name Untold Media since 2001.
Back
Top