18th Edition Bonding requirements

Ian1981 · Jan 4, 2019

Pete999 said:
Makes a mockery of SOME of the SCHEME firms doing new builds doesn't it Archy? sometimes wonder why bother, doing an Apprenticeship, so who is to blame? Certsure? needs sorting PDQ

I find it’s a lack of supervision/understanding as when we are younger we tend not to care as much.
That is what the QS position should be about, to supervise and instruct, tho it’s often abused.

Pete999 · Jan 4, 2019

Ian1981 said:
I find it’s a lack of supervision/understanding as when we are younger we tend not to care as much.
That is what the QS position should be about, to supervise and instruct, tho it’s often abused.

Dissagree with you on this one Ian, yes the inspector should have picked it up, but the Bloke that did the install, was /is at fault, no excuses for this cock up Sparky doing it needs educating with his P45. And I use the words Sparky with trepidation, more than likely been working with someone for a few weeks, knows it all, bond the water pipe jobs a good un, seen it many times. No offence meant in my disagreement.

Ian1981 · Jan 4, 2019

Pete999 said:
Dissagree Ian no excuses for this cock up Sparky doing it needs educating with his cards.

Not like you to dismiss anyone’s opinions is it?

Pete999 · Jan 4, 2019

Ian1981 said:
Not like you to dismiss anyone’s opinions is it?

I'm not dismissing the opinion Ian, just disagreeing with it, your opinion is a valid one, but the faults lies not initially with the QS but with the "Electrician?" in the first instance, but in hindsight the QS should have picked it up, if he ever checked the bonding that is, I have a Friend who was a QS, and he assures me time for detailed inspections are governed by Bosses/Managers, with no interest in quality, more concerned with quantity, please don't take my response so lightly, it's a sticky issues with new builds and unskilled operatives, you must know how it works!

westward10 · Jan 4, 2019

Sounds like the old broken record is on again.

Rpa07 · Jan 4, 2019

Archy Styrigg said:
Had a nosey round a house once, plastic water pipe hanging in a big arc from cellar ceiling joists, with a brass stock cock half way along, with a nice juicy 10mm G/Y cable clamped to it, also hanging in a big arc, back to the CU.

Clueless!

And why do we not have a photo - you know the forum rules . . . .
If we can laugh at someone else’s stupidity - We will!

mattg4321 · Jan 4, 2019

I'm struggling to see what the point of the extra sentence in the new regs is?

It's changed nothing practical. All it's done is muddy the waters. How many people are going to take it as: 'If the water/gas comes into the building in plastic, then I won't carry out bonding'?

Wilko · Jan 5, 2019

Rpa07 said:
And why do we not have a photo - you know the forum rules . . . .
If we can laugh at someone else’s stupidity - We will!

Here's something similar I found a while back. The plumbing in the agricultural building had been changed to plastic, but the label says don't remove, so they didn't

Edit - pipe and clamp was sitting on the floor but still attached to the MET with that g/y. Unfortunately I'd tidied it up before the pic, sorry.

[ElectriciansForums.net] 18th Edition Bonding requirements

Pete999 · Jan 5, 2019

westward10 said:
Sounds like the old broken record is on again.

Not worth responding to.

westward10 · Jan 5, 2019

Pete999 said:
Not worth responding to.

You just did

Pete999 · Jan 5, 2019

westward10 said:
You just did

Would be rude not to respond to an insult like that wouldn't it Wesward, what a pity there is not a way to ignore a Moderator.

westward10 · Jan 5, 2019

Was only in a bit of jest Pete no bad intentions.

GMES · Jan 5, 2019

camerabloke said:
And yet again post removed by a certain mod without explaining why. Have the decency to say why it’s deleted even if it’s for your own adgenda

What do you mean by a certain Mod, I removed your reply yet had nothing to do with the previous exchange between pete and westy.
Your comment was removed for two reasons and that was because it did not help the situation and it is none of your concern.
It was an exchange between two grown men / members.
I'm pretty sure they are big enough and ugly enough to resolve whatever it was without your intervention.

camerabloke · Jan 5, 2019

It’s a free country ain’t it

camerabloke · Jan 5, 2019

And why no heads up on why it was removed until I complained

GMES · Jan 5, 2019

Just to add to my last post, if you had bothered to read the notification on your deleted post , it clearly states reason for deletion as Not Helping.

GMES · Jan 5, 2019

camerabloke said:
And why no heads up on why it was removed until I complained

We've just cross posted, I've explained in my last post.
As for waiting for you to complain, that is utter rubbish I have only been logged in for 10 minutes. I replied as soon as I saw your comment.

camerabloke · Jan 5, 2019

Where is my deleted post I cant see any note

GMES · Jan 5, 2019

camerabloke said:
Where is my deleted post I cant see any note

Here you go.

camerabloke · Jan 5, 2019

Did you delete both comments

camerabloke · Jan 5, 2019

I’m surprised this hasn’t been deleted cuz it’s not relevant as well

GMES · Jan 5, 2019

I deleted one post only, if there are other missing then I presume Another member of staff have deleted them.
They are pretty easy to see on the page, whenever a post is deleted it is visible that it's been deleted and there is always a reason left for that deletion.

Toneyz · Jan 5, 2019

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Pete999 said:
Dissagree with you on this one Ian, yes the inspector should have picked it up, but the Bloke that did the install, was /is at fault, no excuses for this cock up Sparky doing it needs educating with his P45. And I use the words Sparky with trepidation, more than likely been working with someone for a few weeks, knows it all, bond the water pipe jobs a good un, seen it many times. No offence meant in my disagreement.

When I started out as an apprentice wiring new houses all the gas and water services were plastic incomers with copper pipes thereafter now these copper pipes you could say were not extraneous (isolated piece of metal)and did not need bonding but we all did and still do today even though the water is all plastic just habit. This was under the 15th,16th and 17th, and the regulations have not really clarified this and as said we have carries on with the same old. Now I agree with the bonding of just the short piece of copper and stop tap being bonded very robotic attitude
Pete for someone that has not worked for a company or had any involvement with any of the schemes you seem very anti (and I do say that with the utmost respect). I do not see how a company belonging to any of the schemes or not has relevance to the publication of the regs and its failure of plain English and clarification. But I do agree with you that they should not be a cash cow against the electrician but a way of enforcing good workmanship and compliance in lieu of a building inspector that has no electrical training taking into account that these schemes have only come about so us electricians can comply and notify under a new building regulation a few years ago (Part P).

camerabloke · Jan 5, 2019

Can’t see any reason for either on my feed

camerabloke · Jan 5, 2019

Just to clarify ant. Does it say in 18 that you have to bond incoming services if it comes in on a plastic sleeve?

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