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Right ... Just been nudged to set this up by Paul.M and sounds a good idea following recent threads I've done in the Arms..

Rules....No Offensive material... edit if required before posting as this is the public arena.
Anything to do with the trade or in and around it ...H&S pic's welcome.

[ElectriciansForums.net] Dodgy trade pictures for your amusement! - 1 Million Views!

I've posted this a few times and this is at a mates house following a kitchen refirb several yrs ago. :eek:mg_smile:

[ElectriciansForums.net] Dodgy trade pictures for your amusement! - 1 Million Views!
 
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You guys are doing it all wrong

cut the cable using a pair of rough old pliers , mangle the cores by twisting them back together remembering to twist the life out of them so no man can ever get them apart and then wind some black gaffa tape round the lot

Job done
 
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JBW175 said:
Had an emergency call out this morning, a builder who’s installing a drain chopped through the SWA supplying the garden shed. Knocked out half the supply to the street, DNO engineer arrived promptly and changed one of the fuses down the sub station. Circuit isolated and power restored.

In the builder’s defence, the cable wasn’t buried the correct depth and was just beneath the slabs, but you can clearly see where the cable enters the ground so he should have checked prior to cutting.

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UPDATE

Just been round to price up repairing this job.

and,

It cost the client an extra days pay with the builder who cut through the cable as he was too traumatised to work for a day…

Bloody builders, You couldn’t make it up.
 
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brianmoooore said:
Is the heavily taped up cpc of the blue/brown T&E disappearing into the ceiling being used as a perm. live/switched live to the fan?
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I’ve not untangled it all yet. I’ve got a number of points from this inspection and the list of remedial work keeps growing.

Landlord asked why I was taking light fittings down and sockets off as his last EICR was done in about 30-45 mins and never did any of this, I’ve been here 3hrs so far! 🤔

So I showed him this and said ‘that’s why, along with the fact you have a broken leg of a socket ring somewhere, no earth bond to your gas (meter was moved outside around 2yrs ago he said and it appears it’s never been re-bonded) and there is a socket being spurred off the shower so far. 😂
 
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Raptor0014 said:
....and there is a socket being spurred off the shower so far. 😂
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Sounds pretty poor.

However, open question to everyone, just what exactly would be wrong with taking a socket outlet off the shower circuit (or anything else such as ufh, or similar); if electrically it had the usual stuff right such as rcd, Zs within limits etc.

General question on people's thoughts about this.
 
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Julie. said:
Sounds pretty poor.

However, open question to everyone, just what exactly would be wrong with taking a socket outlet off the shower circuit (or anything else such as ufh, or similar); if electrically it had the usual stuff right such as rcd, Zs within limits etc.

General question on people's thoughts about this.
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It's not unlike a cooker circuit feeding a 13A socket.
 
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Julie. said:
Sounds pretty poor.

However, open question to everyone, just what exactly would be wrong with taking a socket outlet off the shower circuit (or anything else such as ufh, or similar); if electrically it had the usual stuff right such as rcd, Zs within limits etc.

General question on people's thoughts about this.
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You can’t run a 2.5mm spur from a 32A 6mm shower.

Not matter what the Zs is. The cable is only rated at max 27A.

So unless you ran it in 6mm, which would be some effort for a 2g socket 😂 then it’s not going to be compliant.
 
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Raptor0014 said:
You can’t run a 2.5mm spur from a 32A 6mm shower.

Not matter what the Zs is. The cable is only rated at max 27A.

So unless you ran it in 6mm, which would be some effort for a 2g socket 😂 then it’s not going to be compliant.
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Ah you never said it was in 2.5mm
 
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Raptor0014 said:
You can’t run a 2.5mm spur from a 32A 6mm shower.

Not matter what the Zs is. The cable is only rated at max 27A.

So unless you ran it in 6mm, which would be some effort for a 2g socket 😂 then it’s not going to be compliant.
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That is exactly what my head said at first too.
But....
Overload protection - each appliance and supply cable protected by 13A fuse in plug. OK, two at once would be a bit interesting but unlikely.
(In some circumstances overload protection is allowed downstream - I'd need to read that bit again to comment further.)
Fault protection - it's RCD protected.

It's a truly horrible design but is it actually non-compliant?
 
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timhoward said:
That is exactly what my head said at first too.
But....
Overload protection - each appliance protected by 13A fuse in plug. OK, two at once would be a bit interesting but unlikely.
(In some circumstances overload protection is allowed downstream - I'd need to read that bit again to comment further.)
Fault protection - it's RCD protected.

It's a truly horrible design but is it actually non-compliant?
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What about shower running at same time as someone has plugged a heater in?
 
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DPG said:
What about shower running at same time as someone has plugged a heater in?
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The breaker and 1st leg of 6mm to shower are correctly matched, so any overload here is dealt with normally by 32A breaker tripping.
Don't get me wrong, I hate it! But I can't immediately see it is unsafe.
 
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DPG said:
Im just thinking, if the shower and heater together were above the MCB rating, but not enough to trip it. Just thinking out loud.
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As a B32 wouldn't trip at all with a load of ~46 amps, the question is how hot does the 6mm get for the duration of the shower.
It would trip after roughly 15 minutes with a 50A load.
We need someone to plug an EV into the other side of the socket!
Raptor0014 said:
But as far as I’m aware a shower has to be a dedicated circuit and nothing else on it.
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I agree that angle needs exploring, what requires a dedicated circuit. Appendix 15 comes to mind, but I don't have book here.
 
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