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patricklondon said:
Make it so that there is only one scheme to register with - auction the rights, merge them...

Give it a ronseal name (does what it says on the tin) gas safe is self explanatory isnt it. something like safe domestic electrics or domestic electricians register you get the idea.

Get rid of the anagram/acronym type names they just cause confusion to all, upcoming sparks and the public alike.

Promote it. Just like corgi was gas safe has already been widely publicised. its rare for the public to know about part p let alone any of the register schemes.

Enforce it. Make it an offence to do home electrics just as it is with gas.

Make it more affordable for the up coming sparks who has proved competant/ qualified (i know this is a whole other debate) so that it is easier for sparks to be properly compliant. take more off each notification instead perhaps, this part is less important
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Patrick, I was going to write in something very similar to that .... :)

I don't mind each of us belonging to different Organisations but why can't they all agree to promote our competence rather than promoting/presenting their individual 'Labels'? As far as Jo Public is concerned they don't really know the difference between Napit or Elecsa or Niceic so why not get rid of the differences and all belong to a single unified Appelation that could be presented to the general public as our 'Official' easy to recognise across the board does what it says on the label type of insignia!

At the moment we seem to be advertising the organisations that we belong to rather than advertising ourselves ... it just seems to me it is the wrong way round :confused: but no doubt nothing we say will make much difference
 
In my opinion the Australians have the right idea, every electrician has his own licence (Cost is 300 Australian dollars and lasts for 5 years) it allow him to work for an electrical contractor, do work at his own home and immediate relieves.

If he wants to work for himself he then needs a contractors licence.

And this applies to all work not just domestic.
 
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Definition
appellation noun

/ˌæp.əˈleɪ.ʃən/ n [C] formal

a name or title
As a child, he received the appellation 'Mouse'.





nice word, had to look it up
 
All we need is an umbrella group say "ELEC-SAFE" that allows all the registered bodies to group under, run and funded by the government after all its them who insist on the regs they get enough tax from us all to fund it at no extra cost. Then you can wack a simple sticker on the van that everyone knows about. There you go Mr Brown if your reading it its just simple common sense but then I wouldn't expect to politicians to understand the meaning of common sense :)
 
perhaps but publicise it, other that our own books where do we see this logo. its also not immediately apparent enough im sure gas safety comes under building regs and they dont have most of their logo with an unexplained letter
 
Sorry for “hijacking “ this post. I have 2391 and 17th qualification, and I am self employed. Do I need to register as a competent person in NICEIC etc or can I sign the PIR certificate by myself if I want to carry out some electrical job in dwelling?



Regards Robert
 
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As long as the job is not installation work that comes under the part p banner
If the PIR is the actual job,then forget part p and all the rest of the part p nonesense and sign away
 
Does it mean that I can certificate NEW circuits in the kitchen (for example) are OK but cannot install an additional circuit in the kitchen because it is part P?

Otherwise, I have not enough qualification to install new circuit, but my qualifications are enough to confirm that circuit comply with 17th edition
 
Need a part P assessment (£500) before you're able to apply to the elecsa competent persons scheme register (another £370+VAT online). They then send an inspector to 'your regular place of work' (how they do that with self employed plumbers working from home I have no idea) to inspect your installations, H&S proceedures, complaints proceedures, paper work on previously done installations (12 mouths previous work done without part P????), your Public Liability Insurance and your books (17th editon, building reg's, etc)

Turns out, even if you have part P registration, if you are a Plumber fitting an electric shower in a bathroom, because bathrooms, kitchens and outside the property have been deemed 'special zones' you can only fit a replacement shower 'like for like' but to install a new electric shower and run the 10mm electrical cable to feed the power via a pull switch, straight from the CU (as it should be) you have to be a qualified 17th editon electician.

So you either:-
find a good electrician you can trust to turn up at the job and use them to install all your electrics, all the time (bang goes your profit).
Take time out to become an electrician AS WELL.
Tell the customer the work needs to be notified to the authorities before work can start and it will have to be inspected at conciderable cost to the job (bang goes your profit and the job, to a larger Plumbing and Heating firm with their own electricans on staff).
Or You can keep turning electric shower installation work down and if it's to be included in a FULL bathroom suite installation, slowly go out of business in the process.
 
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Know what you mean.

I was called to a faulty heating system the other day, turned out to be the boiler.

So you either:-
find a good plumber you can trust to turn up at the job and use them to install all your plumbing, all the time (bang goes your profit).
Take time out to become an plumber AS WELL.
 
A lot of things - 1 20, 1 30, 1 40, 1 45, 1 50 ... .. ...

lmao

I know what you mean though. Bungalow, flat, terraced house, town house, penthouse or cottage. Number of floors. Chase the walls for cables (builders/Plasterer job) or trunking. Under floor boards or around skirting.
 
Exam called Part P exists but its useless.U need to get Napit or NICEIC to certify yourself.:mad:
 
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Call me stupid here, but i thought the idea of Part Pee was to get rid of shoddy workmanship, whether it's from a 'know it all done it all can do bugger all cowboy' that's a mate of a mate, or even (i'm sure i'll get loads of stick for this one) the builder / kitchen fitter / bathroom fitter that will struggle to even put a plug top on, let alone run in new circuits, and certify them !

I'm a spark, been trained as one, got certificates in abundance to prove it, have got 20 years plus experience as one, but i'm not Part P ! Does that mean Mr Bathroom fitter can do a better job than me, i very much doubt it ! As said somewhere previously about using the Ozzy idea, that's a start surely ! ?

I have no idea of how it can be implemented, but surely it's not right for me not to be able to work in my own kitchen ! ?
 
saveloy said:
I think the LABC should have LESS involvement not more. I have had nothing but aggro with my LABC. On 2 jobs that I notified to NIC I have also had to send copies of Part P certs and EIC to the LABC because they claim that they have not been notified by NIC!! ******* useless:mad::mad:. Just bring in a "corgi" type scheme and be done with it!
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could not agree more,bringing out part p has not stopped cowboys doing sparking themselves,they just do it on the qt,as were in a reccesion are these labc plonkers not aware that builders and diyers are trying to save there pennies,one thing i dont agree with is b&q selling 17th ed cu's to joe bloggs,corgi type card is the only way for me altough the nic would feel strongly against it i feel,i bet they are rolling in it,if your a sparks your a sparks whats the problem.

dangerous dave said:
cheers kung thats been a great help mate cos nobody likes throwing money away do they.And as for cowboys i did a job for a neighbour the other day who had cross polarity all through downstairs and told me someone else did it.So i tested it out and took every socket off and checked but then he tells me he did it when he did the extention and took the feed from one of the front room sockets,and to top that the idiot had run kitchen power as a radial using flex.how an earth are we to try and earn a living with idiots like this about.:rolleyes:
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yes sounds familiar,a couple of years ago i done a periodic on 2 hotels run by the same family,almost 20 db's most had been recently changed from old fuseboards,you can guess the rest,nothing labelled anywhere,32a cb on lighting etc,asked the owner who dunnit,said i was gonna walk out and fail everything, he said his cousin who i think also done the washing up,cooking etc,probably called manwell it was like faulty towers(yes not fawlty) place could have burnt down.
 
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No need to bring out a card - one already exists. All that needs to happen is for it to be a legal requirement to hold a valid JIB card.
 
Risteard said:
No need to bring out a card - one already exists. All that needs to happen is for it to be a legal requirement to hold a valid JIB card.
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Why?
what's wrong with producing your qualifications, why the need
for plastic cards, no one is policing the industy but are happy to take your money,
I'm f*****g sick of the parasites in this industry :mad:
 
sparks72 said:
Why?
what's wrong with producing your qualifications, why the need
for plastic cards, no one is policing the industy but are happy to take your money,
I'm f*****g sick of the parasites in this industry :mad:
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Indeed. But carrying a card with your qualifications printed on the back seems a wee bit handier than carrying around a lever arch file or National Record of Achievement with dozens of certificates in it.

I think the JIB card is the correct vehicle for a licence.
 
Risteard said:
Indeed. But carrying a card with your qualifications printed on the back seems a wee bit handier than carrying around a lever arch file or National Record of Achievement with dozens of certificates in it.

I think the JIB card is the correct vehicle for a licence.
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Absolutely not!
For middlemen to tell you what you can & cannot earn while
taking your hard earned money for a piece of plastic doesn't cut it with me I'm afraid,
I have pointed out in other threads on this forum that you can be qualified to the hilt but
still be crap at your job, please explain how we get around that one, some of the worst Electricians
I have come across have been so called "approved" Electricians, wet behind the ears & stuck in the past,
taught by an old school boy who's still stuck in 15th edition land!
 
I found it actually quite awkward to get a JIB card. They wanted a certified copy of each of my
qualifications. When I got a renewal reminder this year I was actually told that if I fail to renew in time
I might not be entitled to get back on the JIB register.

I personally think that Part P should be in the sole control of JIB 'cos they do an in depht qualifications
check on each applicant. Why do we need 6 different schemes for Part P? Which one is the best?
I don't know.
 

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