Part P & the 17th Edition.

[BillyBoBob]

Hi I'm a newbie here. I've been reading alot about this bloomin Part P business, My questions are simple. I started work as an Industrial Electrician in 1991 and completed my 236 Pt's 1&2 a few years later I completed my 2391 (16th edition). In 2008/9 I completed my 2392,2391,2382,2377 (all 17th edition) In 2009 I started work as an electrical instructor and am now teaching the 2330, and the 2391.

My Question. Hypothetically Speaking, If I re-wired my own home without informing the Building regulators. How much trouble could I get myself into?

I can prove that I am a competent person but is proving competence in a court of law enough?

How could they find out since purchacing the new colour cable was available in 2004 and Part P came out in 2005. Could I lie and say it was like that when I purchased the house? hehe

 

[robskiing]

Hi Bob welcome to the forums dont worry at least you show some concern theres a lot who completely ignore informing building control and carrying on regardless and then theres the like of myself and a lot of forum members who do everything to the book,initial verification design and testing when we do an install . If its a bit of a worry then get someone in to inspect and test your installation and pass it off through the correct channels.

 

[blackiel]

No need to bring out a card - one already exists. All that needs to happen is for it to be a legal requirement to hold a valid JIB card.

JIB are as useless as all the rest,cant make up their minds how to grade people,incompetent staff on other end of phone,some know it all,some know sod all,.........One body,that has set standards and a grading list regarding... Qualifications,years of experience,type of experience,proven competency,qualified staff on the phone,a licence(like the aussies)for different types of work and a badge,like Gasafe,that doesnt confuse joe public Punter....Probably too easy!!!!!

 

[blackiel]

None of them Stef,
if they had the customer & electrician in mind instead of their own bank accounts
then we wouldn't be in this mess, being forced on to a scheme is the same as being taxed to work.

Sadly,So bloody true,another tax,just to help you pay more tax,only tax i like paying is the Lottery Tax,at least theres a chance of a Tenner back....

 

[robsparky1975]

I think the LABC should have LESS involvement not more. I have had nothing but aggro with my LABC. On 2 jobs that I notified to NIC I have also had to send copies of Part P certs and EIC to the LABC because they claim that they have not been notified by NIC!! ******* useless. Just bring in a "corgi" type scheme and be done with it!

thats sounds good to me and will save us all £500 a year

 

[harry@forthspor]

What do you mean what has part p got to do with the taxman?

I think he means records & databasis...e.g like one to other..link

 

[Stradders]

Off topic but i've been told if you have 17th Edition that also qualifies you for Part P.

Is this true?

 

[UNG]

I have heard of a few sparks being questioned by HMRC on notified work

The problem is more apparent when you notify and certify work done by others as the invoice you show in your accounts does not reflect the value of the whole job

 

[robsparky1975]

Off topic but i've been told if you have 17th Edition that also qualifies you for Part P.

Is this true?

no,you have to register with a competent persons scheme niceic/elecsa etc,£500 or so and then you can self certify wok that complies with part p of the building regulations,bathrooms,kitchens and anything defined under the scope of such regs,you can register with labc and pay them as a non registered electrician,per part p job it may be £50-100,so nic etc at £1.50 should break even on that after 10 jobs or so depending on your profit margins,its a bit of a grey area,actually a non qualified person can wire there own house and labc will charge £250 to send a qualified person to inspect the work,why they would allow this i do not know,dont think i would give anyone a cert for this

 

[robsparky1975]

I think he means records & databasis...e.g like one to other..link

thanks for putting me right

 

[UNG]

Been thinking

If the current government scrap Part P what are electricians going to moan about and debate next

 

[professional]

Most probably the individual licensing system that will follow on from it ...............

 

[BillyBoBob]

If the current government scrap Part P what are electricians going to moan about and debate next

Age Concern. (We've all worked with e'm)

At what age do Electricians become a Jurassic Spark?

 

[harry@forthspor]

Most probably the individual licensing system that will follow on from it ...............

my reckoning...rather the devel you know than the devel you don't; if they scrap part P, they'll only replace it with something more onearous and more combersome than the last; it's the goverment....it's what they do!

 

[professional]

I strongly suspect that the only people with anything to fear from an individual licensing system are those that would fail any meaningful system of qualification ............


License Grade 1 - unable to work unsupervised.

License Grade 2 - able to work unsupervised within a QS system (FULLY qualified spark).

License Grade 3 - able to verify as a QS OR sole trader i.e to work totally independantly (FULLY QUALIFIED SPARK WITH C&G 2391).


Any QS would be able to set up on their own since they would already meet the requirements to be a sole trader.