following rewire .....

toofar · May 12, 2014

hello guys looking for your thoughts on the following

fully rewired a 3 bedroom tenement flat installed completely to the 17th edition wiring regulations issued completion certificate (niceic) i was 100% happy and confident on my job

customer tried to withold money as i hadent clipped any cabling for sockets and switches ,

i explained (yes it would be slightley better finish ) but i had already spoken to plasterer and he was comfortable with the job.

basically the customer made it a complete nightmare as if i had left an unsafe dangerous non compliant job

hyne site should have put clips in but jeez

Deservices · May 12, 2014

I've started using the oval plastic conduit. Easy quick and smart finish even thou you can't see it after plaster lol.

Englishman · May 12, 2014

Always used the oval conduit, decent stuff it is, also gives you a chance of rewiring if anything happens to cable.

trev · May 12, 2014

The only time that the cables wouldn't be adequately supported, and therefore not compliant, would be before the muckchucker went in. I'd be willing to bet that there's not many on here that haven't done this though.
Seems to me the customer is looking for an excuse to shave a few quid off the bill. Set the dogs on them mate.

Meggerman · May 12, 2014

toofar said:
i had already spoken to plasterer and he was comfortable with the job.

er... Is this job dot and dab and skim I take it?

J@mes · May 12, 2014

Where I cut new chases in my own house I now install oval conduit in the chase and pin it in with nails either side.

Much easier for pulling new cables in if the need ever arises!

7029 dave · May 12, 2014

Don't quite understand, are you saying you have concealed cables in walls etc, but not pinned back let alone used capping or oval tube?

davesparks · May 12, 2014

I don't fully understand the situation here.
When you say you didn't clip the cables, do you mean that you have left them dangling loose in chases? If you have then how on earth can you justify signing off an EIC on this? Regulations require cables to be adequately fixed and supported aswell as protection from foreseeable or expected activities.
If a plasterer is following you he will scrape those unprotected cables with the very sharp edge of his trowel!

ferg · May 12, 2014

Not how I'd have done it but hardly the crime of the century.

If you have already issued a cert then that means the job is finished and the cables are supported by the structure of the building. I.E the plaster, so whats the problem?

Dave and Dave beat me to it I type too slow

Plonker 3 · May 12, 2014

Ask him what regulations from the BGB he is saying you didn't comply with.

7029 dave · May 12, 2014

J@mes said:
Where I cut new chases in my own house I now install oval conduit in the chase and pin it in with nails either side.

Much easier for pulling new cables in if the need ever arises!

That's the way.lol

toofar · May 12, 2014

davesparks said:
I don't fully understand the situation here.
When you say you didn't clip the cables, do you mean that you have left them dangling loose in chases? If you have then how on earth can you justify signing off an EIC on this? Regulations require cables to be adequately fixed and supported aswell as protection from foreseeable or expected activities.
If a plasterer is following you he will scrape those unprotected cables with the very sharp edge of his trowel!

they are secured within the structure ie plastered over

Engineer54 · May 13, 2014

On the very few domestic rewires i've done for friends & family, i used round 3/4'' conduit direct into back boxes for switches and outlets. That oval stuff will be a nightmare to pull new cables in at a later date!!

Geordie Spark · May 13, 2014

Engineer54 said:
On the very few domestic rewires i've done for friends & family, i used round 3/4'' conduit direct into back boxes for switches and outlets. That oval stuff will be a nightmare to pull new cables in at a later date!!

I'm surprised you didn't use Pyro.

Adam W · May 13, 2014

Engineer54 said:
i used round 3/4'' conduit

Galvanised of course...

Engineer54 · May 13, 2014

Geordie Spark said:
I'm surprised you didn't use Pyro.

I'd have no problem with using MICC if money wasn't a problem. ...lol!! I did use MICC on my uncles garage installation though. He used to repair cars as a side line, and one of his customers paid him with a couple of reels of the PVC covered stuff. Can't remember if it included the terminations or we got them...

Adam W said:
Galvanised of course...

Nah, just plain ole 3/4'' Plastic conduit... Though i can't remember if i used 1/2'' on the single cable switch drops, on one or two of the rewires....lol!!

davek · May 13, 2014

Why are we concerned about pulling wire through after Shute be good for next 20 or more years. I take it you are chasing in walls. I am starting to lean to using 32 mm plastic capping for all drop room to fish if need be and plaster fits over nice in 25mm boxes. If it was my own how's I may be tempted but be dead before it need another rewire. The was a article in professional electrician about the effect of dot and dab on cables advising always cap.

uksparks · May 13, 2014

I clip straight to the wall, don't cap it then skim it myself. I've no interest in future abilities if pulling cables through, the next person in 30+ years who rewires it should do it properly and start from scratch instead if buggering about fishing cables down pipes.

shanky887614 · May 13, 2014

J@mes said:
Where I cut new chases in my own house I now install oval conduit in the chase and pin it in with nails either side.

Much easier for pulling new cables in if the need ever arises!

forget that use crampets

telectrix · May 13, 2014

or the correct clips for the oval tube.

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DPG · May 13, 2014

Really can't see why at least a few clips weren't use here. Would save risk of cables swinging about or being caught by someone. Would have cost pence, and only a very small amount of additional time. Seems a bit lazy, or is it just me? Daz

Engineer54 · May 13, 2014

davek said:
Why are we concerned about pulling wire through after Shute be good for next 20 or more years. I take it you are chasing in walls. I am starting to lean to using 32 mm plastic capping for all drop room to fish if need be and plaster fits over nice in 25mm boxes. If it was my own how's I may be tempted but be dead before it need another rewire. The was a article in professional electrician about the effect of dot and dab on cables advising always cap.

Not so much to do with rewires, more to do with any future alterations/additions and the like...
Fishing or trying to get additional cables down capping and oval pipe, ...well i wish you luck!! lol!!

toofar · May 13, 2014

DPG said:
Really can't see why at least a few clips weren't use here. Would save risk of cables swinging about or being caught by someone. Would have cost pence, and only a very small amount of additional time. Seems a bit lazy, or is it just me? Daz

in hyne sight yes i would have but there was no need for clips there were no cables dangling etc they were pretty neat

Eddiesparks · May 13, 2014

telectrix said:
or the correct clips for the oval tube.

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I've never seen those tel, they're going to revolutionise my life on ex council solid walls. Forgive my ignorance - What are they called?!

Eddiesparks · May 13, 2014

J@mes said:
Where I cut new chases in my own house I now install oval conduit in the chase and pin it in with nails either side.

Much easier for pulling new cables in if the need ever arises!

Nah just stick a nail thru the middle and hope for the best!

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toofar

Deservices

Englishman

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trev

Meggerman

J@mes

7029 dave

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davesparks

ferg

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Plonker 3

7029 dave

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toofar

Engineer54

Geordie Spark

Adam W

Engineer54

davek

uksparks

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shanky887614

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telectrix

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DPG

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Engineer54

toofar

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