3.6kw oven on a 13amp plug top.

[markthespark]

Hello i have been asked to install an oven that is 3.6kw, i am wondering whether this would be fine plugged into a socket behind the existing oven taking into account diversity.

or whether i need to put it on its own radial supply.

Is there anyway of fusing a ring main down to 16amps?

Thanks.

 

[Prat P]

I have an oven with a grill.

The grill is inside the oven.

Tidyboiler has never been able to grill my breakfast kippers at the same time as I'm roasting the pig for my dinner but last time she did grill my kippers the dozy bint burned them!!

It is either one or the other.

As usual it comes down to economics..is it cheaper to pay for someone to teach her to cook or cheaper to get a new model? (and I'm not talking about the cooker?

 

[nickblake]

I think Nick was suggesting that on some ovens you can only use one or the other, so the load would stay under 3kW.

Exactly my point

 

[shanky887614]

commando socket job done XD

no i didnt use left ove stock, honest

 

[tidyboiler]

or cheaper to get a new model? (and I'm not talking about the cooker?

:6::56::89::73::2guns::53: **** *** Prat P!!!!!! :dita:

 

[UKMeterman]

That plug top in the picture has got a 66KV transformer behind it!!

 

[UKMeterman]

Like this?

---- job chasing that socket in though....

That socket has got a 3 transformer 66KV sub behind it!!

 

[ipf]

That socket has got a 3 transformer 66KV sub behind it!!

Flex looks a bit tatty...is it for them christmas lights ?

 

[Engineer54]

So now the well proven diversity of cooker appliances shouldn't be taken into account, brilliant!! Cookers and/or ovens will generally be rated on the box (and within the manual) as ''connected'' load not ''Maximum'' load, so any elements within the cooker/oven than can't be used in tandem with other cooking elements shouldn't be included in the rating of what this oven can draw...

Why does this oven need to be fused at all?? You don't see any fuses provided on say a twin cooker connection plate. It's a fixed load so cannot overload, so providing the circuit supply is up to the job a 20A DP switch plate is all you need....

 

[DPG]

I have noticed most ovens that used to come already fitted with a 13Amp plug,now just have terminals for you to connect your own cable and I think there is a clue there (manufacturers are aware that a 3.6kw oven may work fine on a 13Amp plug ...for a while.) . When you go to cook Christmas dinner and the oven is working at full capacity for long hours then i would consider diversity to be a bit of a red herring mainly used by lazy and/or incompetent fitters, to avoid installing a new 20Amp radial,so they just throw it in a socket designed for 13 Amps max despite the appliance being capable of pulling 14 amps..!
A 3.6kw cooker needs a 4mm hofr (heatproof) cable from cooker to 20Amp isolation point,then feed isolation point in 4mm pvc twin + earth and protect circuit with 20Amp ocpd.

Have you ever seen what a 2kw heater can do to a plug top? Putting a modern oven on a plug is what you call sailing close to the wind

What do 2KW heaters do to plug-tops then? Daz

 

[Prat P]

What do 2KW heaters do to plug-tops then? Daz

They melt them eventually

 

[Pete999]

They melt them eventually

Makes you wonder why they make 10 amp cartridge fuses for plugtops?

 

[Prat P]

Makes you wonder why they make 10 amp cartridge fuses for plugtops?

presumably they make 10 Amp fuses for appliances rated less than 10 Amps? Of which,an appliance which is rated at 14 Amps,is not such an appliance.

 

[ImpededLoop]

presumably they make 10 Amp fuses for appliances rated less than 10 Amps? Of which,an appliance which is rated at 14 Amps,is not such an appliance.

Sorry, I'm confused. What current would a 2kW heater draw?

I reckon between 8-9 Amps.

You seem to have quoted a 2kW heater and now jumped back to an oven when questioned about your statement that a 2kW heater melts a 13A plug top.

 

[DPG]

They melt them eventually

Only if the connections are loose or the plug is a poor fit in the socket. Daz

 

[Prat P]

Sorry, I'm confused. What current would a 2kW heater draw?

I reckon between 8-9 Amps.

You seem to have quoted a 2kW heater and now jumped back to an oven when questioned about your statement that a 2kW heater melts a 13A plug top.

read the thread from the start and your confusion will be removed,